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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:38 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:34 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Mr. Curtain.. what if I had no hands/arms.. and I had to use textspeak... would ur statement be rude? Judging by your previous posts about using textspeak, thats not the case. So, meh.
Plus, I was just being snarky.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?
I'll do you one better: my fiancee once spent a few months praying to god on a hospital bed, as her health got worse and worse, forgoing medicine because she had faith that god would get her through, and... nothing. No god. Not even once.
Please, do go ahead and tell me she just didn't have enough faith. She was only putting her life on the line, after all.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:38 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (April 29, 2014 at 10:34 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Mr. Curtain.. what if I had no hands/arms.. and I had to use textspeak... would ur statement be rude? Judging by your previous posts about using textspeak, thats not the case. So, meh.
Plus, I was just being snarky.
Right back at ya... sorry.. you. 
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:40 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: I care if you believe, but God cares even more. I agree that the argument that states God's reason for not revealing Himself is to keep our free will intact is ridiculous. Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?
Case in point, you disingenuous jackass.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:40 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: God cares even more.
First of all, the god's existence has to be verified before you can claim to know anything about that which has no evidence to support it.
(April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?
When I used to be a hardcore theist, I would ask all the time that he reveal himself to me. He never did, despite the fact that I believed in him. The thing about faith is that one imagines he is there despite the evidence to the contrary, mainly because the believer wants him to be there more than anything else.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I believe out of faith.
What leads you to believe that faith is a valid method of establishing truth?
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?
I'll do you one better: my fiancee once spent a few months praying to god on a hospital bed, as her health got worse and worse, forgoing medicine because she had faith that god would get her through, and... nothing. No god. Not even once.
Please, do go ahead and tell me she just didn't have enough faith. She was only putting her life on the line, after all.
If you get that answer I'm going to break my monitor.
That sort of bullshit infuriates me.
Out of curiouslty (and don't answer if it's too personal) is she okay now?
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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Great, now we've got traction. This is actually a lot more than we usually get from resident theists, so you're earning points right out of the gate here.
(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I believe out of faith. I certainly think there are evidences that support my faith, but my faith does not rest on these evidences.
Why depend on faith? If you have evidence, you don't need faith. You might have reasonable expectations based on the evidence, but since you've set up such a partition you don't even have those.
(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I presuppose that God is there.
Fine. Do you ever test those presuppositions? For example, what do you know of your god's attributes and how do you know them?
(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I don't think using evidences to point to God is very helpful.
Evidence is only a problem, usually handwaved away like this, to those who don't actually have any. If you or any theist actually had some copper-bottomed, compelling evidence for whatever god you're proposing, do you think you (or they) wouldn't come to places like this and parade it around like a show pony?
(April 29, 2014 at 10:30 pm)te1148 Wrote: I believe in God just like I believe my wife loves me. It's a part of who I am.
Again, fine. I'm more interested in what you can demonstrate to be true, as distinct from what you believe to be true.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:13 pm)te1148 Wrote: (April 29, 2014 at 10:11 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: What's disingenuous is you misrepresenting your purpose here.
You clearly don't understand the first thing about evolution, and you are playing it fast and loose with definitions. Pot<--->Kettle.
What do you think my purposes are for being here?
You like wasting time, perhaps.
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RE: What would it take for you to believe in God?
April 29, 2014 at 10:46 pm
(April 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 29, 2014 at 10:35 pm)te1148 Wrote: Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you?
I'll do you one better: my fiancee once spent a few months praying to god on a hospital bed, as her health got worse and worse, forgoing medicine because she had faith that god would get her through, and... nothing. No god. Not even once.
Please, do go ahead and tell me she just didn't have enough faith. She was only putting her life on the line, after all.
I would never assume she didn't have enough faith. A lot of Christians teach that with enough faith, anything is possible. I believe that it's not the amount of faith, but the object of faith that matters. But there are times when God in His wisdom chooses to say "no" to our requests, but that doesn't mean He wasn't there.
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