(April 30, 2014 at 9:40 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Because the organization systematically did all of those things. Every single one of them.

Well gee, I guess your right then. So the eighth Sacrament is molestation and every Catholic just does it on the weekends?

Keep in mind that your original question is what do you think of the Catholic Church, not what do you think of Catholics.

(April 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)ducketto Wrote: but my point is why associate or blame an entire group for the faults of so few?

Because the few represent the whole. When the whole would rather protect the few than remove them from the church completely and when the whole refuses to punish the few with prison, that is a reflection of the whole. That makes the whole corrupt.

(April 30, 2014 at 9:42 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Keep in mind that your original question is what do you think of the Catholic Church, not what do you think of Catholics.

And what is the Catholic Church in its truest sense? It would stand alone, but not without Her members. So to judge an entire organization is unreasonable, as shown through my analogy you skimmed over. Do you at least see my point, the illogic?

Let's not be obtuse here, I was talking about the things I listed, not every single Catholic.

(April 30, 2014 at 9:44 pm)ducketto Wrote: So to judge an entire organization is unreasonable

And that attitude right there is what makes the Catholic Church think it is above morality and justice. Due to that, the Catholic Church can burn to the ground with all its adherents inside as far as I am concerned.

(April 30, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 30, 2014 at 9:38 pm)ducketto Wrote: but my point is why associate or blame an entire group for the faults of so few?

Because the few represent the whole. When the whole would rather protect the few than remove them from the church completely and when the whole refuses to punish the few with prison, that is a reflection of the whole. That makes the whole corrupt.

The Church doesn't seek to simply cover up scandal without some repercussions in recent years. And I basically threw you a bone to jump on viscously there, but the Church, while perfect in Her fullest sense, is made up of imperfect people. Just as a great team, though often winning, still experiences its slumps and times of trouble. You have to be realistic about the Church on earth.

(April 30, 2014 at 9:44 pm)ducketto Wrote: And what is the Catholic Church in its truest sense? It would stand alone, but not without Her members. So to judge an entire organization is unreasonable, as shown through my analogy you skimmed over. Do you at least see my point, the illogic?

That's bullshit and you know it.

You think the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Church's proscription against homosexuality, it's stance against women, the systematic cover up of child rape---none of that is the Church's responsibility as an organization?

(April 30, 2014 at 9:48 pm)ducketto Wrote: The Church doesn't seek to simply cover up scandal without some repercussions in recent years. And I basically threw you a bone to jump on viscously there, but the Church, while perfect in Her fullest sense, is made up of imperfect people. Just as a great team, though often winning, still experiences its slumps and times of trouble. You have to be realistic about the Church on earth.

It is certainly both interesting and disgusting to see how Catholics defend an absolutely corrupt, morally reprehensible organization.

Quote:Or are all San Francisco Giants players doing steroids? You may suspect that the second is true, referring to Pete Rose and Barry Bonds, but my point is why associate or blame an entire group for the faults of so few?

Let's see if you can understand this. Pete Rose was banned from baseball and the Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds, while never failing a drug test, was not signed to a contract by any of the other major league teams.

They did not move them to another parish so they could keep fucking kids...which is what your church did.

Get it?