(May 1, 2014 at 10:36 pm)ducketto Wrote:

(May 1, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: I do consider myself a humanist.

Ah, then what great pride you share with the human race, who praises none other than itself for its accomplishments.

(May 2, 2014 at 6:24 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(May 1, 2014 at 10:07 pm)ducketto Wrote: I don't know where your avid hate for the Church comes from.

Are you fucking stupid??

We've just spent multiple pages detailing exactly why we hate the vile institution that is the church and you have the audacity to say this!

Have you not read one fucking thing we've said??

Obviously the answer to your question is "yes," Z/B.

A believer has to be pretty dull if they think they can just march in here and win a 1-on-10 debate against the dimwitted atheists.

(May 2, 2014 at 9:22 am)max-greece Wrote: Before you answer that watch this video - its 2 hours but there's a lot of ground to cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpK8ji1tADg

Good stuff.

This debate always seems to come down to attribution.

Atheist: That there are good Catholics is testimony that there are good people, but Catholic beliefs and/or ecclesiastics are responsible for the bad.

Believer: That there are bad Catholics is testimony that there are bad people, but Catholic beliefs and/or ecclesiastics are responsible for the good.

I'm waiting for Hitchens to elaborate on how torture was legalized during the counter-reformation.

(May 2, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: A believer has to be pretty dull if they think they can just march in here and win a 1-on-10 debate against the dimwitted atheists.

No, I believe you fellows put up quite a match, and you aren't even the best, yet neither am I. You all seem to be quite short-tempered however, and that is a weakness a greater person could easily expose.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm)ducketto Wrote: You all seem to be quite short-tempered however, and that is a weakness a greater person could easily expose.

Calm ignorance is no virtue, honey.

(May 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 2, 2014 at 6:24 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Are you fucking stupid??

We've just spent multiple pages detailing exactly why we hate the vile institution that is the church and you have the audacity to say this!

Have you not read one fucking thing we've said??

Obviously the answer to your question is "yes," Z/B.

I just don't see how on earth you can throw out all the rest of the water in the tub if some is dirty. I understand that the actions were bad, and I am not trying to justify the actions. I am merely defending my Church from attack and misconceptions/ill-focus by the entire world. 9/10 people think "child abuse" when they hear the word "Catholic". Why can people not learn to move past that. Pope Francis and the Church have made it clear that to obsess with these measures and to not focus on the Truth it a problem for both Catholics and non-Catholics. That's the only hand you all have to play. I say anything and you cuss me out and allude to child abuse. What about the Sacraments, what about Doctrine? Come on.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm)ducketto Wrote: What about the Sacraments, what about Doctrine? Come on.

Irrelevent and nonsensical, especially in contrast to the overall harm religion daily does in this world.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm)ducketto Wrote: You all seem to be quite short-tempered however, and that is a weakness a greater person could easily expose.

Calm ignorance is no virtue, honey.
People with a hot temper do foolish things, and say them as well.

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(May 2, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: [quote='ducketto' pid='663126' dateline='1399073566']
What about the Sacraments, what about Doctrine? Come on.

Irrelevent and nonsensical, especially in contrast to the overall harm religion daily does in this world.

The ball has been on your court for three quarters, let's finish the game on my court. Sacraments, teaching, ect. Let's open up the conversation if you are willing.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:40 pm)ducketto Wrote: People with a hot temper do foolish things, and say them as well.

Cursing can be done without being hot-tempered.