(May 2, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 2, 2014 at 7:40 pm)ducketto Wrote: People with a hot temper do foolish things, and say them as well.

Cursing can be done without being hot-tempered.

But it certainly can lead to a lot of frustration and anger. Point well taken though.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm)ducketto Wrote: ' What about the Sacraments, what about Doctrine? Come on.

The sacraments? What are those? Why should I care about then?
Doctrine? What is that thing? Is it related to some doctor?

Do note that both those term have implicit belief that some extraordinary agent exists... around here, that belief is far from granted.

Besides, any institution that requires belief automatically lacks credibility. Think about it...

You are talking to a group of atheists. Sacraments and church doctrine are nonsense. You asked our opinion about the Church, not the church's ridiculous rites and rituals.

I will not even give the idea that mass produced crackers and wine turn into actual flesh and blood any of my time. It is as ridiculous as arguing about whether jellyfish have pinky toes. I will not do it.

(May 2, 2014 at 7:50 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: You are talking to a group of atheists. Sacraments and church doctrine are nonsense. You asked our opinion about the Church, not the church's ridiculous rites and rituals.

I will not even give the idea that mass produces crackers and wine turn into actual flesh and blood any of my time. It is as ridiculous as arguing about whether jellyfish have pinky toes. I will not do it.

So where did things turn south for you guys? Was it college? A bad experience? Or have you always just had a cold hate for your Creator and all that rightfully worship Him? Do you know what I think? I think you all just want to be different, to be set apart from what you know is Truth and everything involved with it because it brings about some wild sense of pride and self-accomplishment within you. Though I am likely wrong, and you will make that clear with plenty of cussing in three minutes or so.

And I think you have no evidence for your beliefs, so you must resort to character attacks.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Faith No More Wrote: And I think you have no evidence for your beliefs, so you must resort to character attacks.

Throw something at me. I am not attacking character, just making a likely assumption based on previous observations of the people I was talking with. If I do so, please let me know, because I may not recognize that I am hurting someone, because I truly do not want to do that.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm)ducketto Wrote: So where did things turn south for you guys?

I actually read and studied scripture critically, and doubt began to seep into my brain at the many contradictions I was encountering not only from the book but also from the community of which I was a part.

I eventually came to the understanding that faith was irrational, because there was no logical reason for me to believe in something for which there was no evidence to support its existence.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm)ducketto Wrote: I think you all just want to be different

When I want to be different, I do crazy things with my hair. Accepting reality is normal, not being different.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:12 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm)ducketto Wrote: So where did things turn south for you guys?

I actually read and studied scripture critically, and doubt began to seep into my brain at the many contradictions I was encountering not only from the book but also from the community of which I was a part.

I eventually came to the understanding that faith was irrational, because there was no logical reason for me to believe in something for which there was no evidence to support its existence.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm)ducketto Wrote: I think you all just want to be different

When I want to be different, I do crazy things with my hair. Accepting reality is normal, not being different.

What faith group were you apart of? If you don't mind me asking.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:14 pm)ducketto Wrote: What faith group were you apart of? If you don't mind me asking.

I raised Roman Catholic.

(May 2, 2014 at 8:15 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 2, 2014 at 8:14 pm)ducketto Wrote: What faith group were you apart of? If you don't mind me asking.

I raised Roman Catholic.

Hmm, and was your parish more focused on the warm and fuzzy stuff like welcoming people, or was it traditional with the Latin Mass and all?