Today a friend whom I argue politics with lamented that he didn't care if humans destroyed the earth but that I should since I have children.

So that got me wondering. If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist? Essentially a conclusion of the pro abortion movement is that future people don't have a right to exist. The right of existence only comes into being after one is born. Well if they don't have a right to exist then they certainly don't have a right to a clean and livable earth.

How does someone who is pro abortion justify fighting against global warming? Do not the rights and needs of the people today supersede the rights and need of future people?

Quote: If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist?

So - some woman having an abortion is your equivalent of wiping out future generations? Please pull your head out of your ass.

(May 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: Essentially a conclusion of the pro abortion movement is that future people don't have a right to exist.

You could extend that as far as not having sex at every opportunity is removing someones future right to existence. I'm pro global orgy but I think non-stop sex would get painful to be honest. Plus almost every fertile woman would be very quickly pregnant and having billions pregnant women sounds terrifying. Then you have the army new born babies.. Then every 9 months the same again. Fuck that bullshit..

(May 20, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist?

So - some woman having an abortion is your equivalent of wiping out future generations? Please pull your head out of your ass.

If women have a right not to reproduce then in principle every women could choose not to reproduce....putting an end to humanity. Why can't we present day humans simply decide that our wants and needs supersede the wants and needs of the generations that aren't yet born?

(May 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: the pro abortion movement is that future people don't have a right to exist.

I don't think I know anyone who is actually "pro abortion". And no, pro choice isn't just a nice way to spin an ugly stance; I don't like abortions. I'd like to see them stop, but I don't see making them illegal as doing anyone any good. I'd rather cut back on unwanted pregnancies.

This isn't a stance born out of wanting to deny "future people" rights. And they're not future people; they're potential people. We don't give them rights. Otherwise we have to start regulating my semen, and that's just stupid.

(May 20, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist?

So - some woman having an abortion is your equivalent of wiping out future generations? Please pull your head out of your ass.

Yeah, false equivocation if false.

Future people.

Very good description utilized to add weight to a faulty argument.

Keep those sleights of hand coming, yo!

(May 20, 2014 at 12:49 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Future people.

Very good description utilized to add weight to a faulty argument.

Keep those sleights of hand coming, yo!

Abortion is essentially a termination of a future person. If we have no obligation to future persons why is it important to save the earth?

(May 20, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Heywood Wrote: If we have no obligation to future persons why is it important to save the earth?

Just because some women choose to have no obligation to bear a future person into the world does not invalidate that people should care about those future persons who will actually be born.

(May 20, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(May 20, 2014 at 12:49 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Future people.

Very good description utilized to add weight to a faulty argument.

Keep those sleights of hand coming, yo!

Abortion is essentially a termination of a future person. If we have no obligation to future persons why is it important to save the earth?

What's a future person?