(May 31, 2014 at 12:03 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: A pornstar is someone who will commit any number of depraved acts, violate other people, sometimes in horribly disgusting ways, take it in every hole for money and act like they enjoy every minute of it.

A lawyer on the other hand...

I'm still not seeing the distinction between a porn star and a lawyer.

Is Dana De Armond a lawyer?

Comparing pornstars to politicians is insulting pornstars, since they are way better than politicians, laywers and religious apologists.

SERIOUSLY ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!
Is this pathetic excuse of words the thing that as you said" prove my ignorance?" Are you nuts!!
I have a confession to make I didn't read what you wrote last night because knowing you I assumed that you would write a very either clear or smart point that will refute what I said.
I feel like and idiot why did I thought that? I should have read it from the beginning why the hell did I trusted you.
I can't use that nor I can't neither say that without making a fool of myself.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Woah woah woah. Hold up. Who says you don't need to act?

You have any idea how many porn videos they don't act and start f*****g?<snip>
Are they acting? Or they just smiled to the camera and started to f**k? Because I can't see the difference.
So I think it's fair to assume that what matters in a porn video it's the sex and everything else it's optional.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Where did you get that information?

Here
http://uk.askmen.com/money/how_to_400/436_how_to.html
They advice you to prepare, how to behave, how to performance but they don't touch the acting skills any time.
They even say in the article

Quote:There is a level of professionalism and eroticism needed to make the scene a good one.

But where do you get that professionalism? Shouldn't the word professionalism be replaces for experience? How do you achieve successful eroticism? How do you achieve professionalism? Do you practice your vocal cords like singers in order to say "Oh yeah" more convincing? What number of blow jobs do you in front of a mirror in order to say you are doing it right? In the dress room of the porn filming do they have a dozen different thongs of different shape and colors to assure you have the right one? Do they stop the intercourse scene to apply make up like in any other acting activity?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I can guarantee you the very best porn stars are the best because they are pretty damn good at acting.

Yeah the quality of the acting shown in this videos are mind blowing. The quality of diologes it's stunning. The improvisation it's amazing. I mean how complex character don't you think.
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They deserve an Oscar

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Or at the very least good at giving believable orgasms.

As long as the audience it's horny they will believe the actress got an orgasm. Acting or not acting.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Not only that, a lot of porn has story lines, and some has scenarios that are obviously acted out. Casting couch for example.

<snip>
Same question again:
Are they acting? Or they just smiled to the camera answered some questions and started to f**k? Because I can't see the difference.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: So, your first assertion is demonstrably wrong.

Yeah I feel sooooooo wrong. You had opened my eyes. How could I be SOOO WRONG.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

Quote: and the only thing that matters it's that they can have sex(something anyone with working body parts can do).

Really? The only thing that matters? I guess I should think about a career in porn then if the only thing I need is the ability to have sex... oh wait. No.

Why NOT?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's stupid.

Why is it stupid?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Ofcourse there's a lot more to it than that.

Like…..?
Seriously this is why ask you to back up your statements? You you can say. No you are mistaken and period?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Completely oversimplifying.

Yeah because porn it's so complex.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Let me put it like this. Do you hire an actual, reputable wedding photographer for your wedding? Or do you let someone who's never taken a photo in his life do it?

I need to see their works first in other to make a decision. I don't care if the reputable wedding photographer it's very unexperienced. If I like how he takes his angles, frames, what shots he decides to take in count and what he discounts, the tone of colors, the expressions he wants to achieve, the after effects he decide to ad to his work, if he decides to not ad effects in the computer at all, the photo composition, if he likes symmetry in his shots, if I desire symmetry in my photos, how he capture textures, the quality of shades and mid tones that appear in his photos, the depth of field, the pattern of lines that he gets. And if I like all that I would hire him instead of the other guy. Besides in most cases new photographers have many advantages over the competition, since they are rookies are open to the suggestion and advice of their clients. However good luck try to convince a wedding photographer who has made many works what kind of photos are the best without hurting his ego.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Duh. You get the wedding photographer.

I judge the quality of work above anything else. If you are one of those person who get's fooled by the extension of other people resume fine by me you can hire whoever you want. But I gotta warn you I studied photography in colleague in order to graduate me in graphic design and I was the firs place in my generation(I can even show you the award they gave me) so my opinion in photography counts as much as yours okay.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Why? Because it's his job.

And the rookie photographer who also applies to the job isn't photography his job as well? Yeah he is inexperienced however they both work on the same field. So if you are gonna try to argue with me at leas say:
because he has more work field
because he has more achievements
because he has more experience in weddings
But not because that isn't his job. If I go and tell the rookie photographer who it's already starting his career: hey I didn't hire you because this isn't your job that's ridiculous. The quality and experience of the competence in the work field ain't gonna decide what's it's his job of expertise. They are both photographers it just happens that one it's more good that the other.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It's his profession. He has years of experience and knows what looks good on camera.

Years of experience doesn't guarantee you a living. So if I start painting art even if I have no artistic talent at all does that make ma a professional? And if I practice it at all then that it's gonna guarantee me I'm gonna be a professional at it? I talked people who had been to the best schools with high expectations only to fin out that the were idiots.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's why he's making a living out of it and not many other people are.

What you are one of those guys who say that if the people in the production or creation of something if have experience that will assure that quality of their work it's good?

• Jim carrey -The cable guy
  
• M. Night Shyamalan -The last Airbender
  
• Freddy's Nightmares
  
• FLCL manga
  
• Wicked Lovely
  
• [Rec]º2
  
• Karate Kid's -Jakie chan
  
• Thinner-Stephen King
  
• The Beatles - Number 9
  
• Stan Lee - Strippererlla
  
• Glitter -Mariah Carey
  

Should I keep going? I have tons of other examples as well.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The same goes with porn.

No the same doesn't go with porn I'm making this thread because porn it's the exemption to that rule. At's long ant'd the image it's good and the characters are hot and you have good marketing and funds you could present a clip in which two people just have sex in a room for any reason whatsoever and you have a success. The most famous porn movies in these days don't come from the quality of their work but the popularity of their sources and actresses. If this particular video comes from this popular website many people will buy it period.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Sure there's lots of amateur porn out there, and we can all take those photos at any old wedding. But the people making the money are doing so because of reasons other than the fact they have better cameras and funding.

Wedding photos and adult videos are not the same man. Nor have the same audience, field of work, job parameters, aptitude requirements nor satisfy the same tastes.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Really? You think models don't have to have any skill or put in any work?

WERE DID I F*****G SAID THAT?!!!

Quote: And on the other hand modeling it's considering a profession and it share some similarities with porn actresses(and some of the actors),
both need to be attractive, both need to watch their health and figure, both involve in taking orders, both don't need to talk much or be
smart, and in both careers many of their workers are subject of plastic operations in order to stay in the business.

Twisting someone else words how mature Napoleon.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I'm not being funny, but you clearly haven't seen America's next top model!

I did, a bunch of spoiled overemotional bunch of stupid girls that enter one house only until one it's left. Just like most reality shows.
Amercia next top model yeah right because reality television it's so professional.


For future reference please mention any modeling school or agency that there's in the planet ANY. But not americas next top model.Because clearly the girls in Americas next top model are very professional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqp3ikopPNM

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I don't have the most respect for models, neither do I for porn stars.

Don't tell that to me I'm not the one defending them with what it's one of the most overrated statements I've ever read in my life.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: But to say their jobs require nothing more than to 'be attractive'. Wut.

I'm sorry do porn actors do other stuff in porn that I'm unaware about? Do they sing? Do they paint? Do they horse ride?(not the position!!!)Do they do card tricks? Do they do magic tricks? ,Yo yo?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The porn industry can't be compared to the regular modelling industry

Yeah you are right porn and modeling they don't share anything in common whatsoever. They are two different field that are lightyears away.
http://www.ocmodeling.com/aboutus.html
And why it can't be compared to the modeling industry? This would make some sense if you had refuted me one of my statements by the way.

Quote: And on the other hand modeling it's considering a profession and it share some similarities with porn actresses(and some of the actors),
both need to be attractive, both need to watch their health and figure, both involve in taking orders, both don't need to talk much or be
smart, and in both careers many of their workers are subject of plastic operations in order to stay in the business.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: because the porn being created has differing audiences. A guy's looks and performance in a 'typical' straight porno aren't going to be high on the priority list are they?

Really a guys looks and performance in a 'typical' straight porno aren't going to be high on the priority list? Geez I had only mentioned earlier that the porn industry has clearly double standard depending on the gender of their actors, why didn't I said that… oh wait I think I didn't I?.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: And in case you hadn't noticed, women aren't generally the target audience for 99% of porn (at least not from what I've seen, and I've seen a fair bit).

Stick to the subject man I don't want to hear your sticky sheet histories.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It's a profession for both. There are people who make careers out of it.

Just because made a living by doing a particular line of job that doesn't guarantee you professionalism. Do they have a degree on massages? Considering they do a fair share of massage on camera one should think so. Do they practice their scenes with stunts? The: oh yeah mama, keep going, I'm gonna cum, follows a strict script? Do they practice their dialects and accents like normal actors? Are their lingeries custom made? The sexual positions in a scene need choreography?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I'm not going to reel of a list of porn stars, you can look that up yourself.

Im gonna reply you with the same words that you said to me when I told you I'm not gonna search the info for you because you are to lazy for doing it yourself:
Bottom line is nothing is conclusive, and I'll continue to call out the bullshit of anyone who says so when they won't even be arsed to back up their fucking claims. That's not my job. If you say something I think the least you should do is provide better evidence for what you're saying than "the fact is that guys and women who work in this industry have a high level of professionalism".

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Your ignorance of the fact that guys and women work in this industry and have a high level of professionalism is not reason enough to doubt the validity of this being a profession in the first place.

Dude people don't even need to finish high school to do porn!!! The camera man may be a professional, the guy who edits may be a professional, the sound technician may be a professional(And I say may because sometimes there are just people who do as they please) But the actors certainly don't need to be professionals you just need a couple of attractive people who don't have any disability and the guts to start f*****g in from of a camera.

Look I get that you have this either compulsion or desire to demonstrate you are smarter than other people (you show all the signs) but it's okay I don't judge you. Because let's be honest the whole: Is porn acting is considered a profession? I don't care that much. But if you are gonna make a statements contradicting me AT LEAST you could I dunno do it rationally.
I mean if you can't even handle a porn acting debate then what's gonna happen when we debate about theological debate? So listen up you Little Corporal I ain't gonna reply anything you have to say anything at all until you either retract yourself or tell me why I am the ignorant.
I don't care if in the future you define to me de meaning of life and ask me to prove you wrong.

Proving my ignorance yeah right. Let's be realistic pal in this thread in this post

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And what about you two rexbeccarox? Losty? You two gave Kudos to this bunch of baloney words? Don't you wanna rethink that? Do any of what I just said it's wrong?

I don't think you're supposed to link porn here...

Quote:And what about you two rexbeccarox? Losty? You two gave Kudos to this bunch of baloney words? Don't you wanna rethink that? Do any of what I just said it's wrong?

I've been a member of this forum going on two years, with less than 2,000 posts. I read more than I post, but I appreciate it when people make good points, so I give kudos. Please don't call me out again. If I have something to say other than what others have said, I'll contribute, but I refuse to engage in mental masturbation by parroting the words of another member.

That being said, I do have a few thoughts that I planned on sharing anyway before you rudely shoved me onto the stage.

Quote:Do they practice their scenes with stunts?

Believe me, a lot of sexual positions are stunts.

Quote:The: oh yeah mama, keep going, I'm gonna cum, follows a strict script? Do they practice their dialects and accents like normal actors?

Not necessarily, but you don't see mainstream actors doing DP, POV, or Public Sex very much either. Different skills are needed in the two completely different industries.

Quote:Are their lingeries custom made?

Often, yes, they make it themselves.

Quote:The sexual positions in a scene need choreography?

Uh... yes. You must be watching very boring porn if you don't think so.

(June 1, 2014 at 2:53 am)Zidneya Wrote: And what about you two rexbeccarox? Losty? You two gave Kudos to this bunch of baloney words? Don't you wanna rethink that? Do any of what I just said it's wrong?

Okay, if you insist.

Quote:Is this pathetic excuse of words the thing that as you said" prove my ignorance?" Are you nuts!!
I have a confession to make I didn't read what you wrote last night because knowing you I assumed that you would write a very either clear or smart point that will refute what I said.
I feel like and idiot why did I thought that? I should have read it from the beginning why the hell did I trusted you.
I can't use that nor I can't neither say that without making a fool of myself.

I don't know who taught you English, but you should seriously request a refund.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Woah woah woah. Hold up. Who says you don't need to act?

You have any idea how many porn videos they don't act and start f*****g?

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you are not supposed to post porn outside a69, get it together dude

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Are they acting? Or they just smiled to the camera and started to f**k? Because I can't see the difference.
So I think it's fair to assume that what matters in a porn video it's the sex and everything else it's optional.

In most porn, even the sex is acting. You need to be able to concentrate on portraying the personality your directors ask you to play. Maybe you're really a sweet romantic guy who prefers slow love making and they want you to play some macho guy and fuck her brains out. Maybe she's really feisty and likes to have wild sex and they want her to portray a shy innocent girl who is nervous about having sex. Maybe she needs to be a virgin(even though she's not), maybe he needs to believe she's a virgin (even though he knows she's not).

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Where did you get that information?

Here
http://uk.askmen.com/money/how_to_400/436_how_to.html
They advice you to prepare, how to behave, how to performance but they don't touch the acting skills any time.
They even say in the article

Quote:There is a level of professionalism and eroticism needed to make the scene a good one.

But where do you get that professionalism? Shouldn't the word professionalism be replaces for experience? How do you achieve successful eroticism? How do you achieve professionalism? Do you practice your vocal cords like singers in order to say "Oh yeah" more convincing? What number of blow jobs do you in front of a mirror in order to say you are doing it right? In the dress room of the porn filming do they have a dozen different thongs of different shape and colors to assure you have the right one? Do they stop the intercourse scene to apply make up like in any other acting activity?

In porn that isn't amateur they most likely stop and reapply makeup. In most porn, I assume, they at least stop to apply lube. You didn't honestly think that was going to fit in there with just a little spit did you?

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I can guarantee you the very best porn stars are the best because they are pretty damn good at acting.

Yeah the quality of the acting shown in this videos are mind blowing. The quality of diologes it's stunning. The improvisation it's amazing. I mean how complex character don't you think.

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again it is against the rules to post porn here. Get it together man

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They deserve an Oscar

Was there actually a point here or just an excuse to post porn where it doesn't belong?

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Or at the very least good at giving believable orgasms.

As long as the audience it's horny they will believe the actress got an orgasm. Acting or not acting.

Wrong, I absolutely hate porn with obviously fake orgasms.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Not only that, a lot of porn has story lines, and some has scenarios that are obviously acted out. Casting couch for example.

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I see a pattern here, and I am starting to think this whole post was an excuse to post porn

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Same question again:
Are they acting? Or they just smiled to the camera answered some questions and started to f**k? Because I can't see the difference.

I didn't look, but I assume they were acting to at least an extent.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: So, your first assertion is demonstrably wrong.

Yeah I feel sooooooo wrong. You had opened my eyes. How could I be SOOO WRONG

Why should I reconsider my kudos for this. If you have a point make it. You expect me to sift through 2 hours of poor English and stupid smilies and try to come up with your point for you?

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Really? The only thing that matters? I guess I should think about a career in porn then if the only thing I need is the ability to have sex... oh wait. No.

Why NOT?

That question was one of the main reasons I liked his post. I could never be a porn star, besides from the fact that I don't look the part, I couldn't make sex look real in front of a lighting crew, a camera, crew, directors, fluffers, and whoever else happens to be around watching. I would feel awkward and it would be obvious.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's stupid.

Why is it stupid?

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Ofcourse there's a lot more to it than that.

Like…..?
Seriously this is why ask you to back up your statements? You you can say. No you are mistaken and period?

He already said like what you just refused to accept his answer

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Completely oversimplifying.

Yeah because porn it's so complex.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Let me put it like this. Do you hire an actual, reputable wedding photographer for your wedding? Or do you let someone who's never taken a photo in his life do it?

I need to see their works first in other to make a decision. I don't care if the reputable wedding photographer it's very unexperienced. If I like how he takes his angles, frames, what shots he decides to take in count and what he discounts, the tone of colors, the expressions he wants to achieve, the after effects he decide to ad to his work, if he decides to not ad effects in the computer at all, the photo composition, if he likes symmetry in his shots, if I desire symmetry in my photos, how he capture textures, the quality of shades and mid tones that appear in his photos, the depth of field, the pattern of lines that he gets. And if I like all that I would hire him instead of the other guy. Besides in most cases new photographers have many advantages over the competition, since they are rookies are open to the suggestion and advice of their clients. However good luck try to convince a wedding photographer who has made many works what kind of photos are the best without hurting his ego.

This is feeling like a waste if time, but I'm really bored and I can't sleep so whatever. Why did you go into so much detail with this? No one cares about your wedding photographer. It was an example.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Duh. You get the wedding photographer.

I judge the quality of work above anything else. If you are one of those person who get's fooled by the extension of other people resume fine by me you can hire whoever you want. But I gotta warn you I studied photography in colleague in order to graduate me in graphic design and I was the firs place in my generation(I can even show you the award they gave me) so my opinion in photography counts as much as yours okay.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Why? Because it's his job.

And the rookie photographer who also applies to the job isn't photography his job as well? Yeah he is inexperienced however they both work on the same field. So if you are gonna try to argue with me at leas say:
because he has more work field
because he has more achievements
because he has more experience in weddings
But not because that isn't his job. If I go and tell the rookie photographer who it's already starting his career: hey I didn't hire you because this isn't your job that's ridiculous. The quality and experience of the competence in the work field ain't gonna decide what's it's his job of expertise. They are both photographers it just happens that one it's more good that the other.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It's his profession. He has years of experience and knows what looks good on camera.

Years of experience doesn't guarantee you a living. So if I start painting art even if I have no artistic talent at all does that make ma a professional? And if I practice it at all then that it's gonna guarantee me I'm gonna be a professional at it? I talked people who had been to the best schools with high expectations only to fin out that the were idiots.

I would facepalm again but it's giving me a headache.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: That's why he's making a living out of it and not many other people are.

What you are one of those guys who say that if the people in the production or creation of something if have experience that will assure that quality of their work it's good?

• Jim carrey -The cable guy
  
• M. Night Shyamalan -The last Airbender
  
• Freddy's Nightmares
  
• FLCL manga
  
• Wicked Lovely
  
• [Rec]º2
  
• Karate Kid's -Jakie chan
  
• Thinner-Stephen King
  
• The Beatles - Number 9
  
• Stan Lee - Strippererlla
  
• Glitter -Mariah Carey
  

Should I keep going? I have tons of other examples as well.

What are you even talking about?

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The same goes with porn.

No the same doesn't go with porn I'm making this thread because porn it's the exemption to that rule. At's long ant'd the image it's good and the characters are hot and you have good marketing and funds you could present a clip in which two people just have sex in a room for any reason whatsoever and you have a success. The most famous porn movies in these days don't come from the quality of their work but the popularity of their sources and actresses. If this particular video comes from this popular website many people will buy it period.

if you think any two hot people having sex anywhere makes for good porn then you're more easily turned on than I am

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Sure there's lots of amateur porn out there, and we can all take those photos at any old wedding. But the people making the money are doing so because of reasons other than the fact they have better cameras and funding.

Wedding photos and adult videos are not the same man. Nor have the same audience, field of work, job parameters, aptitude requirements nor satisfy the same tastes.

Fine since you begged for it

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Really? You think models don't have to have any skill or put in any work?

WERE DID I F*****G SAID THAT?!!!

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And on the other hand modeling it's considering a profession and it share some similarities with porn actresses(and some of the actors),
both need to be attractive, both need to watch their health and figure, both involve in taking orders, both don't need to talk much or be
smart, and in both careers many of their workers are subject of plastic operations in order to stay in the business.

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Twisting someone else words how mature Napoleon.

*where

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I'm not being funny, but you clearly haven't seen America's next top model!

I did, a bunch of spoiled overemotional bunch of stupid girls that enter one house only until one it's left. Just like most reality shows.
Amercia next top model yeah right because reality television it's so professional.
For future reference please mention any modeling school or agency that there's in the planet ANY. But not americas next top model.Because clearly the girls in Americas next top model are very professional.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I don't have the most respect for models, neither do I for porn stars.

Don't tell that to me I'm not the one defending them with what it's one of the most overrated statements I've ever read in my life.

Why the hell do they need to be defended. I have respect for anyone who does whatever job they want and doesn't give a shit what other people think.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: But to say their jobs require nothing more than to 'be attractive'. Wut.

I'm sorry do porn actors do other stuff in porn that I'm unaware about? Do they sing? Do they paint? Do they horse ride?(not the position!!!)Do they do card tricks? Do they do magic tricks? ,Yo yo?

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The porn industry can't be compared to the regular modelling industry

Yeah you are right porn and modeling they don't share anything in common whatsoever. They are two different field that are lightyears away.
And why it can't be compared to the modeling industry? This would make some sense if you had refuted me one of my statements by the way.

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And on the other hand modeling it's considering a profession and it share some similarities with porn actresses(and some of the actors),
both need to be attractive, both need to watch their health and figure, both involve in taking orders, both don't need to talk much or be
smart, and in both careers many of their workers are subject of plastic operations in order to stay in the business.

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This is so boring. I never cared about the subject this much.

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(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It's a profession for both. There are people who make careers out of it.

Just because made a living by doing a particular line of job that doesn't guarantee you professionalism. Do they have a degree on massages? Considering they do a fair share of massage on camera one should think so. Do they practice their scenes with stunts? The: oh yeah mama, keep going, I'm gonna cum, follows a strict script? Do they practice their dialects and accents like normal actors? Are their lingeries custom made? The sexual positions in a scene need choreography?

Blah blah blah. When I hear someone ask, "what is your profession?" I usually take it as "what is your job?"


The bottom line is, I can give anyone kudos for any reason or for no reason at all. I am not obliged to tell you why I have given someone kudos and I don't really understand why you would care.

To answer your question, no I do not wish to reconsider my kudos to Napoleon.

Ps. You spent a lot of time defending a post that was supposedly written by some conservative guy and not yourself.

(June 1, 2014 at 3:07 am)Losty Wrote: I don't think you're supposed to link porn here...

I knew about the offensive language policy, along with the restriction of either violent and indecent images shown or posted however I never heard that there was a rule against posting links that lead to adult content. I knew about the rule of posting troll links that lead to webpages of other content that wasn't the one that was being discussed in the thread. Stimbo mentioned to me once. However if there is such a rule about not posting adult links in here and I have broken or violated it,I take responsibility of that and I won't object of whatever warning or banning it may be given to me because of that.

(June 1, 2014 at 4:24 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: I've been a member of this forum going on two years, with less than 2,000 posts. I read more than I post, but I appreciate it when people make good points, so I give kudos.

Okay…I don't now why I had to knew that but okay.

Quote:Please don't call me out again.

If you show your approval or disapproval toward certain topic I can call you as many times as I want(freedom of speech remember), besides just because I call someone that doesn't mean they had to reply. However If I continue calling you all the time in order to make a conflict with you or offend you I can understand why that could be a harassment however this isn't the case.

Quote: If I have something to say other than what others have said, I'll contribute, but I refuse to engage in mental masturbation by parroting the words of another member.

If that's your opinion then you why you accepted to engage in this particular mental masturbation(mental tantrum, yeah I get that, mental cockfight I could understand that but mental masturbation? Don't tell me why you say that I don't want to know) by parroting because?

Quote:That being said, I do have a few thoughts that I planned on sharing anyway before you rudely shoved me onto the stage.

Again I didn't shoved onto stage, so don't act like I forced you to reply no one is forcing anyone to do anything here.

Quote:Believe me, a lot of sexual positions are stunts

Prove it, also,why there are no stunts mentioning in most porn videos? How do they pick stunts? Is there any documented series of porn videos in which they either prove or corroborate the evidence, identity, participation, requirements, profit paid, and the involvement of stunts in either camera shots or previous to the filming? Are those stunts under the very same strict policy of STD and Drug control than the porn actors as well? Do those stunts need to resemblance or have the particular body measurements of the actors they are replacing? Is any famous porn actor that started his or her career as a porn stunt? What training do those professional stunts receive?

Quote:Not necessarily, but you don't see mainstream actors doing DP, POV, or Public Sex very much either. Different skills are needed in the two completely different industries.

Which skills? If a adult entertainment actor practice a skill how do he or she claim that it's a professional in that skill. Unlike regular actors who can claim what is being taught during acting classes and special courses of training.

Quote:Often, yes, they make it themselves.

Custom order clothes yeah. Taking in people measurements in order to buy the clothes absolutely. Custom made? I don't think so. You think differently prove it to me.I have no doubt that there can be one or more style designers that have made custom made clothes that have appeared in famous adult videos however Are you telling me that this statement applies to most films? And if they don't still it's called professional? (since you are stating that it's a professional trait of the adult film industries)And also the quality of production nor material of production has anything to do with the professionalism and quality of the actors who wear those clothed or accessories: So this topic only back ups the dedication and production of a adult film not the professionalism of their actors. Unless there is a individual actor or actress that only do scenes with custom made clothes which in case would imply that and only that person its a professional. Could you show me the trade mark requirements and rules of clothing in professional adult film videos in which they explain the use and showing of their outfits(which of course implying that such thing exists which I highly doubt)

Quote:Uh... yes. You must be watching very boring porn if you don't think so.

Who teaches this choreography? What happens if the actors don't follow this choreography? It's a obligatory requirement in a professional porn video? How do I know that they follow a choreography and they aren't just following instructions of what positions do? Who judges the choreography? Who decides the postures and choreography is shown in a adult video? How the quality of choreography is being measured? If they don't measure the quality why do they even bother to practice choreography in the first place? The same question I made before and that nobody so far has answered to me:
Are they acting? Or they just smiled to the camera and started to f**k? Because I can't see the difference. Seriously tell me which detail I am overlooking. Is there a detail or details that I'm missing? Why everyone see a professional porn video and instantly assume that the activities that are been shown in there can be called professional and isn't just two people in front of a camera either having sex or pretending they have sex?
One last question how many professional porn videos do I have to search you in which they don't do any choreography, show any custom made clothes nor appears any stunt at all to prove you are mistaken. Tell me number. Ten? fifteen? No more that sixteen because let's face it I have other things to do with my time.

(June 1, 2014 at 5:44 am)Zidneya Wrote: <snip>
Tell me number. Ten? fifteen? No more that sixteen because let's face it I have other things to do with my time.

I wish you had decided you had more important things to do before your manic posting in this thread.

Sometimes I wonder if doing something with pleasure constitutes a profession. I mean, after a while sex can get dull doing it professionally, most jobs do.

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Where do I sign up?

If a profession is something that requires learning or special training then no, being a porn actor is not a profession.

I think I watched a documentary once where all a guy had to do was fill in some forms, get STD tested and have a photo of himself taken.

I'm not saying porn actors or actresses are stupid, but as far as I know I think it's pretty much a fact you do not need to be professionally trained to act in porn.

In fact some porn sites pride themselves in hiring new actresses who have never had any porn experience before and sometimes it's obviously a marketing tactic other times it seems like the actresses are genuinely new to making porn.

(May 31, 2014 at 1:06 am)Zidneya Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 12:47 am)Chuck Wrote: Why not? Is it not a paid employment that require special skills?

Yeah but what skills are those?

Have you learned to suppress your gag reflex so that you can handle a ten inch cock being repeatedly shoved down your throught? It's not hard for me to imagine this technique requiring a bit of transferred knowledge.