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Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
#81
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
(June 5, 2014 at 3:12 am)BlackMason Wrote:
(June 4, 2014 at 9:08 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: I am Spanish, but I do not speak it or read it.

Wait are you proud of that?

It can't just be a statement of fact? I am Jewish by descent, but can neither speak nor understand Hebrew (I can sound out the words but usually have no idea what the fuck I'm reading). I'm not proud of any sort of ignorance on my part, but on the other hand, there's only so much time in a given day.
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#82
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
(June 3, 2014 at 1:40 pm)BlackMason Wrote:
(June 3, 2014 at 10:24 am)Cato Wrote: If we take that view then many occupations can't be considered a profession, as has been mentioned before in this thread.

And so what? Occupation =/= Profession. Profession is not greater than occupation.

The only sense in which a profession is "greater" than an occupation is in how much training is required in the former. Otherwise, being a doctor does not make you better than being a self-made entrepreneur.

(June 3, 2014 at 1:59 pm)BlackMason Wrote:
(June 3, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Losty Wrote: I think where I live occupation and profession are commonly considered interchangeable words.

I'm not surprised. It's a common misconception. Kinda like how a lot of people think theory has the same meaning in science as it does in ordinary language.

While in general society occupation and profession are used interchangeably, they do have different meanings. A "profession" is a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification while an "occupation" is a person's usual or principal work or business, especially as a means of earning a living. An occupation can sometimes be a profession, but a profession is always an occupation.

(June 3, 2014 at 6:21 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Porn is a broad spectrum with many unskilled jobs available within it.

On the other hand you won't see a qualified doctor who's just done it because he's naturally pretty good at biology and remembering body parts but didn't get fully educated in the topic. Or a doctor who's just there to stand around and look good and so on.

A reasonable (though maybe not always 100% accurate) way to gauge whether an occupation is a profession would be to ask yourself if you got your degree in a field specifically for your job (for example, I went to school specifically for architecture, I don't have a Bachelor of Arts/Science in Architecture, I have a Bachelor of Architecture) or if you were required to go through some kind of internship or apprenticeship to become qualified to do your job (architects in the US must go through the Intern Development Program through NCARB), and if you were required to pass some kind of licensing exam in order to become fully qualified to do your job (I have to pass 7 exams to become a licensed architect).

Architects, engineers, doctors/dentists/nurses, and lawyers (to name a few) are all examples of professions - occupations for which you require specialized training and often some kind of licensing or exam. The trades may or may not be considered professions depending on whether there are formal qualifications required on the tradesman but usually require come kind of apprenticeship program. Something like a chef is not a profession since formal training is not required, nor, as I understand it, are you required to pass more than a food-handling exam, which untrained 18 year olds are required to pass in order to get a job at McDonalds.

"Professionals" are also subject to losing their licensing if they break the law or the rules and restrictions of their license - there's an ethical component to licensing. There's not an ethical component to being something like a chef (I may be wrong...).

And just because an occupation isn't a profession doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile job, it just means you aren't required to be licensed or otherwise formally qualified to do that job, which is perfectly fine. I want doctors and lawyers and architects to be put through the ringer so that when they're building the buildings I live in, work in or walk through to not fall down on top of me, so that when I go in to have a wound stitched up, the doctors knows how to properly calculate how much anesthesia to give me and understands what kinds of medications I'm allergic to.


As for whether being a porn actor is considered a profession or not, who cares? It's a job that, presumably, the actor chose and enjoys and gets paid for, what does it matter whether they're licensed to do it?
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#83
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
(June 5, 2014 at 10:59 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
(June 3, 2014 at 1:40 pm)BlackMason Wrote: And so what? Occupation =/= Profession. Profession is not greater than occupation.

The only sense in which a profession is "greater" than an occupation is in how much training is required in the former. Otherwise, being a doctor does not make you better than being a self-made entrepreneur.

(June 3, 2014 at 1:59 pm)BlackMason Wrote: I'm not surprised. It's a common misconception. Kinda like how a lot of people think theory has the same meaning in science as it does in ordinary language.

While in general society occupation and profession are used interchangeably, they do have different meanings. A "profession" is a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification while an "occupation" is a person's usual or principal work or business, especially as a means of earning a living. An occupation can sometimes be a profession, but a profession is always an occupation.

Yeah if you go back a few pages you'll see I said the same thing.

(June 5, 2014 at 8:10 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:
(June 5, 2014 at 3:12 am)BlackMason Wrote: Wait are you proud of that?

It can't just be a statement of fact? I am Jewish by descent, but can neither speak nor understand Hebrew (I can sound out the words but usually have no idea what the fuck I'm reading). I'm not proud of any sort of ignorance on my part, but on the other hand, there's only so much time in a given day.

My question can't be born from natural curiosity?
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#84
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
(June 4, 2014 at 9:08 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: I should call a family member for translation.
Bottom line it's that I'm not surprised that my english it's flawed since the education here…... well….. it sucks. Like big time. We even made a movie about that.

Now since the only way to practice a foreign language it's to talk it that's why I am in a English atheist forum. And also they most latin American atheists communities are very …..well they are …the users are less aware of what's important. But(and here is where I sound like a hypocrite) even when my english it's bad I like my messages to be well a vivid representation of my way of thinking (that's why the emoticons in order to represent humor, sentiments and emotional responses, and they also make wonders with sarcasm and rhetorical questions)and that's why also all those parentheses, in order to put a little joke, clarification or inner thought like in normal conversation when you pause what you are saying in order to tell a joke. I dunno, I guess I want people see not only what I think but also how I think and why I came to that conclusions. And how I express myself. For example
(May 12, 2014 at 1:18 am)Zidneya Wrote: Religion let you grow in your own time?[Image: whaaat1-onion-head-emoticon.gif]
And the best way for you personally?[Image: bird-onion-head-emoticon.gif]
Don't you wanna rethink that?
So the thing with my punctuation and sentence structure even when they are bad as long as the emotion it's present, along with the line of thoughts I don't mind it very much. However I do try to pay attention to the spelling and choice of words. And as it goes to my grammar sometimes I care sometimes I'm not. For me it's more important that people see not only what I try to say but also what it's my reaction while I say it. Besides I only have this problems with written english but when I speak my first concern it's pronunciation.
(June 4, 2014 at 8:22 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: If you think skill is needed for this, you're wrong.

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(June 4, 2014 at 8:22 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Anyway. Where do you get the idea that a profession has to be one where you learn special skills to do it? Pretty sure garbagemen don't necessarily learn things - they just follow rules. Same with janitors. What if I got paid to rake leaves? I didn't have to learn anything there - I'm just raking, bagging, and hauling. I could be a professional leaf raker. So what?
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Quote:My point it's that profession =/= professionalism.
Dude people don't even need to finish high school to do porn!!! The camera man may be a professional, the guy who edits may be a professional, the sound technician may be a professional(And I say may because sometimes there are just people who do as they please) But the actors certainly don't need to be professionals you just need a couple of attractive people who don't have any disability and the guts to start f*****g in from of a camera.
Okay now I really like this girl[Image: crazy-monkey-emoticon-148.gif]

(June 4, 2014 at 9:08 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: I am Spanish, but I do not speak it or read it.

The shouldn't you instead say:
I'm from spanish descent?
Because how can you consider yourself spanish if you don't speak spanish?
(June 5, 2014 at 8:10 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: It can't just be a statement of fact? I am Jewish by descent, but can neither speak nor understand Hebrew (I can sound out the words but usually have no idea what the fuck I'm reading). I'm not proud of any sort of ignorance on my part, but on the other hand, there's only so much time in a given day.
Isn't the only requirements of a jew is to believe in it's own religion? I assume that is the case, and that's why you refer yourself as "Jewish by descent" and since you are an atheist now(at least I think you are because the Bagels stuff doesn't clear that topic to me) you no longer consider yourself a jew.
Unless you come from a family of orthodox jews which that case the not reading and understanding Hebrew it's an actual defect if you call yourself jewish.
But the lineage from which someone comes from doesn't necessarily dictates what you should or shouldn't do. For example I descend from this two mothef*****s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspard_Monge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chucho_Monge
And I ain't neither good at math nor play any instrument.
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Technically speaking I could say I'm not decedent from neither. Because my great grand parents claimed we are all decedent's of the first guy but it was never confirmed(the Porfiriat really screw everything for my family at that time). And I'm blood related to the second but he is from a different branch of the family. But to be honest that's all I want to say about that.
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#85
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
How the fuck is porn star not a job? You mean to tell me you don't watch porn...If you do watch them, then tell me how it's not a business or industry.
If the hypothetical idea of an afterlife means more to you than the objectively true reality we all share, then you deserve no respect.
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#86
RE: Being a porn actor is considered a profession?
My immediate family was conservative. We moved to a reform temple because it was closer, but our education started with us learning Hebrew outside of school. It would have been Yiddish too, if we didn't live so far away from other family members who would have thought it necessary. Hebrew is a part of Jewish cultural identity - it's not a skill like painting, for them. I'm not understanding your English in this case, but my family came over in the late 1800's and later speaking both languages.
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