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(June 2, 2014 at 2:11 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Ah ah ah, no no no, you know the rules of how to have your claims taken seriously; provide citations or links. Hitchens say: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And I don't accept hearsay.
This is not hearsay, this is first person testimony. I used to help people get medical claims paid.
Well, I can't honestly state that I accept that as something I can count as a valid point, but, that's fine, I'll take your word on it, since I think, I THINK, I made a pretty good point about why that all is and what the comparison between claims paid out by Anthem and by claims paid out by Tricare for...well, men's breast cancer.
Your username should be 'Creed of Bullshit' because that's all your points are. It's pointless to keep addressing your repeating the left-wing Tu quoque diversions of, deflecting blame to the Republicans, talking points that you heard somewhere on television or read from a left-leaning article. There's no running and hiding from you. There's just no use in continuing to argue a point with a dedicated and programmed leftist when your response is always, ignore or deny there's a problem if it reflects badly on barack and the democrats, and respond with, "What about the Republicans?!" "Look what the Republicans did!"
As far back as 2008 Barack knew there were problems within the VA. In his first bid for a presidential run Barack promised that he would fix those problems and take care of our Veterans. During the first two years of his first term as president Barack and the dems had control of the White House and of Congress. Why didn't he do anything meaningful then? He was too busy pushing obamacare in his first term to give a damn about anything else. Only to the left does it make sense to continue throwing money at a problem without first addressing and cleaning up the corruption.
Tisk tisk...your only arguments are ignore, deny, and deflect.
As I said before: I addressed all of this. I'm not the one who is bullshitting if you're the one who went silent the moment I broke your argument into pieces. The evidence is there for anyone who wants to read it. For anyone who hasn't yet (please see the thread in this same section of the forums regarding the VA "scandal" and please notice how after I address every single one of AT's points, he stops responding to me), to summarize; AT is focused on the plant of the weed and willfully ignoring the root of the problem. He claims Obama did nothing in 2008. He did. It was called a funding reworking, and had the VA attempt to reduce wait times by moving everything to an electronic system so as to better organize patient claims and address wait times at facilities more effectively: http://www.louisville.va.gov/news/va_acc...hments.asp
Several VA administrators found a way around this by keeping paper records instead, so that they could still keep track of their patients, but not show just how badly their facilities were performing. A few individuals came forwards and said it was happening. The (republican) congress then took over a week to issue a "Do not destroy" order on ALL records the VA facilities hold...plenty of time for the VA admins to destroy quite a bit of evidence. I do not blame the republicans entirely on this, despite AT's victim complex thinking I am, but I AM saying they sure as hell didn't handle this mess any better, for all their squawking about what a travesty this is. They keep all saying it's a scandal. 40 veterans died waiting. If all those records were electronically maintained, would they still have received treatment? Well, no, because, again, the republican congress voted against increasing the VA's budget several times, and in fact cut it down mere months ago...and AT keeps putting his fingers in his ears screaming "LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU" when I bring up that shortly after this budget cut, which immediately resulted in care provision and coverage being cut for veterans, 22 VETERANS A DAY COMMIT SUICIDE RATHER THAN SUFFER WITHOUT CARE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED IF THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS HAD SIMPLY INCREASED THE VA'S BUDGET TO BUILD MORE FACILITIES AND HIRE MORE FUCKING STAFF INSTEAD OF FUCKING CUTTING IT AND IF THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS HADN'T BLOCKED THAT EVIL SOCIALIST BERNIE SANDERS' PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO INCREASE FUNDING TO BUILD MORE FUCKING FACILITIES AND INCREASE STANDARDS OF CARE.
There. Stop ignoring it. You literally have to be blind to not see this.
I don't want to hear another peep out of you about this, AT. Until you adequately address what I said before, and what I have had to say YET AGAIN, your bitching about this scandal is small fucking potatoes to what the party you slavishly devote yourself to is guilty of. THAT is why I don't seem to care all that much about the VA "scandal." SMALL. TIME. CRAP. COMPARED. TO. THE. CAUSE. OF. THE. REAL. FUCKING. PROBLEM. Do I have to keep fucking spelling it out for you? I'm getting tired of trying to get you to break out of your tunnel vision and look at the broader issue. You can call me a liberal all you want [I'm a socialist; that is to say, I think that virtually nothing our government does is adequate or satisfactory and needs improvement in just about every way imaginable for the betterment of the population and the country as a whole] to try to vindicate your paranoia of me supposedly just hating on the republicans, but here's the thing, if the republicans weren't the cause of the greater issue regarding the VA, I wouldn't be bitching about them; I'd be bitching about the ones who ARE responsible. http://blog.timesunion.com/lawrencewhite...rage/1471/
Oh yeah, FYI? That article was written by a veteran himself.
BULLSHIT! KISS MY ASS, YOU BLIND BRAIN-WASHED PARTISIAN SOCIALIST! CLEAN UP THE CORRUPTION FIRST BEFORE DECIDING HOW MUCH MONEY'S ACTUALLY NEEDED FOR MORE FACILITIES! DUMBASS LEFT-WINGERS. THROW MORE MONEY AT IT. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
Quote:Do I have to keep fucking spelling it out for you?
You haven't spelled out one damn thing except to make ideological arguments that deflect blame to the Republicans. Throwing more money at a problem is not the cure-all for every issue.
"Inside every Liberal there's a Totalitarian screaming to get out"
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Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.
June 2, 2014 at 5:14 pm (This post was last modified: June 2, 2014 at 5:25 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(June 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm)A Theist Wrote:
Quote:Do I have to keep fucking spelling it out for you?
You haven't spelled out one damn thing except to make ideological arguments that deflect blame to the Republicans. Throwing more money at a problem is not the cure-all for every issue.
And what is the bigger problem here, exactly? A select, vast-minority-few VA admins [they still haven't found any other admins to be guilty of this same thing] skimming funds that would not affect the quality of care or amount of service professionals and staff from the budget via their bonuses? Administrators who are under investigation and are going to be axed? Or the constant cutting of massive amounts of funding that is essential to improving quality and quantity of care to our veterans?
According to you, the former, and not the latter. YOU are deflecting the fact that the republicans are more fucking corrupt given that this is to serve the defense contractor lobbies than these few administrators are! They're corrupt because they're being lobbied to reject these increases because these increases would mean diverting funds away from weapons R&D AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THE FUCKING PROBLEM IS THAT A FEW ADMINISTRATORS SKIMMED LESS THAN 0.05% OF THE BUDGET FOR THEIR BONUSES?!
YOU. ARE. FUCKING. WHACKED. Your sense of morals are fucking warped. You are a fucking sick piece of shit! You are defending the rampant corrupting in the political party YOU OPENLY ADMIT TO BEING ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY LOYAL TO NO MATTER WHAT!MY FUCKING FAMILY HAS A HISTORY OF CENTURIES OF MILITARY SERVICE!! THEIR SERVICE AND THEIR CARE FROM THE VA HAS BEEN SUFFERING AND LACKING FOR DECADES BECAUSE THE VA KEEPS BEING UNDERFUNDED AND HAVING THEIR BUDGETS SLASHED BY CONGRESSES IN THE NAME OF SERVING THE FUCKING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND THEIR POINTLESS PET R&D PROJECTS!! MY OWN BROTHER IS SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN, IN CONSTANT, DIRECT OPERATIONS AGAINST THE PEOPLE YOUR FUCKING CORRUPT PIECE OF SHIT CORPORATE-LOYALIST PARTY YOU DEEPTHROAT THE COCKS OF SENT HIM AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHERS TO FIGHT, HE HAS PTSD SO INTENSE THAT HE ISN'T THE SAME PERSON ANYMORE, HE CAN'T RECEIVE ADEQUATE TREATMENT FOR IT FROM THE VA BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FUCKING OVERWHELMED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO PROVIDE PROPER CARE FOR HIM, AND THE REPUBLICANS NOT ONLY BLOCKED FUNDING AND LEGISLATION TO SECURE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE VA'S SYSTEM, THEY ACTIVELY SLASHED THE MONEY TO SEND MORE OF IT TO DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF SHIT F-35 THAT LOCKHEED MARTIN LOBBIED THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS SO HEAVILY TO KEEP IN PRODUCTION DESPITE ITS INFERIOR PERFORMANCE AND SKYROCKETING COSTS THAT HAVE GONE WAAAAY THE FUCK OVER BUDGET!!
And you. Have the fucking stones. To sit here. And tell me. That I'm deflecting from the "real" issue. Because you want to, as you've openly and shamelessly shown you always will, unswervingly and inflexibly defend your chosen perfect "True American" party. Because you are incapable of seeing the larger picture.
If I told you what I would do to you if you said this shit right to my face, I would be banned from this forum permanently. I cannot describe the sheer hatred I feel for you right now. If every inch of my skin was tattooed with the word "Hate," it would still be insufficient to express the pure, absolute loathing.
You either do not understand. Or you do not care. Ignorance is no excuse. And apathy is no excuse. Both are detestable in equal measure. YOU are detestable in a way that the English language fails to provide words to adequately define. The sheer amoral hypocrisy you have displayed is so fucking sickening that I had to actually and truly swallow a mouthful of pepto-bismol to keep myself from possibly vomiting. I have not experienced such intense fury towards another human being in only a little less than a decade. You bitch about any left-leaning or independent members of this forum not taking your endless bullshit whining about the democratic party doing things wrong while blatantly and totally ignoring what your own party does wrong, while never managing to provide any kind of examples of your nearly-totally corrupt party doing better in the last two-plus decades. And you know why? Because your fanatical devotion to the republican cause has utterly blinded you to just what they have become. Your ego will not let you accept the fact you have been wrong for a very...very...VERY long time. That the republican party has been wrong for that amount of time. Morally, and ethically, and politically wrong. All the evidence works against the republicans. And they divert attention to minor problems while completely and blatantly refusing to acknowledge the major problems their actions have caused and continue to cause.
And you claim that it's me that deflects? When I have criticized erroneous policies the democrats, whom I do not tend to vote for, and you have never once had the moral decency and honesty to do yourself?
I cannot participate further in this discussion. What I have read here is too offensive to my morality and basic human ethics for me to tolerate hearing any more of, which I know if I linger in this thread, I most certainly will, given the source of it and the contents of what will undoubtedly be said. Even if I could stomach hearing it, there would be no point to me addressing it. This..."man," this individual, this fucking nazi fascist motherfucking immoral right-wing-slave is incapable of understanding just how badly he is wrong on so many levels. My desire to try to make you understand, AT, to try to get you to realize just how disgusting what you've been saying is falls on deaf ears, bounces off a brick wall, is lost in space. Clearly, you do not understand. And I don't think you ever will.
You are a lost cause. And if I didn't despise you so much, I would pity you with the same intensity that I now hate you.
(June 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm)A Theist Wrote: You haven't spelled out one damn thing except to make ideological arguments that deflect blame to the Republicans. Throwing more money at a problem is not the cure-all for every issue.
And what is the bigger problem here, exactly? A select, vast-minority-few VA admins [they still haven't found any other admins to be guilty of this same thing] skimming funds that would not affect the quality of care or amount of service professionals and staff from the budget via their bonuses? Administrators who are under investigation and are going to be axed? Or the constant cutting of massive amounts of funding that is essential to improving quality and quantity of care to our veterans?
According to you, the former, and not the latter. YOU are deflecting the fact that the republicans are more fucking corrupt given that this is to serve the defense contractor lobbies than these few administrators are! They're corrupt because they're being lobbied to reject these increases because these increases would mean diverting funds away from weapons R&D AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THE FUCKING PROBLEM IS THAT A FEW ADMINISTRATORS SKIMMED LESS THAN 0.05% OF THE BUDGET FOR THEIR BONUSES?!
YOU. ARE. FUCKING. WHACKED. Your sense of morals are fucking warped. You are a fucking sick piece of shit! You are defending the rampant corrupting in the political party YOU OPENLY ADMIT TO BEING ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY LOYAL TO NO MATTER WHAT!MY FUCKING FAMILY HAS A HISTORY OF CENTURIES OF MILITARY SERVICE!! THEIR SERVICE AND THEIR CARE FROM THE VA HAS BEEN SUFFERING AND LACKING FOR DECADES BECAUSE THE VA KEEPS BEING UNDERFUNDED AND HAVING THEIR BUDGETS SLASHED BY CONGRESSES IN THE NAME OF SERVING THE FUCKING DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND THEIR POINTLESS PET R&D PROJECTS!! MY OWN BROTHER IS SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN, IN CONSTANT, DIRECT OPERATIONS AGAINST THE PEOPLE YOUR FUCKING CORRUPT PIECE OF SHIT CORPORATE-LOYALIST PARTY YOU DEEPTHROAT THE COCKS OF SENT HIM AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHERS TO FIGHT, HE HAS PTSD SO INTENSE THAT HE ISN'T THE SAME PERSON ANYMORE, HE CAN'T RECEIVE ADEQUATE TREATMENT FOR IT FROM THE VA BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FUCKING OVERWHELMED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO PROVIDE PROPER CARE FOR HIM, AND THE REPUBLICANS NOT ONLY BLOCKED FUNDING AND LEGISLATION TO SECURE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE VA'S SYSTEM, THEY ACTIVELY SLASHED THE MONEY TO SEND MORE OF IT TO DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF SHIT F-35 THAT LOCKHEED MARTIN LOBBIED THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS SO HEAVILY TO KEEP IN PRODUCTION DESPITE ITS INFERIOR PERFORMANCE AND SKYROCKETING COSTS THAT HAVE GONE WAAAAY THE FUCK OVER BUDGET!!
And you. Have the fucking stones. To sit here. And tell me. That I'm deflecting from the "real" issue. Because you want to, as you've openly and shamelessly shown you always will, unswervingly and inflexibly defend your chosen perfect "True American" party. Because you are incapable of seeing the larger picture.
If I told you what I would do to you if you said this shit right to my face, I would be banned from this forum permanently. I cannot describe the sheer hatred I feel for you right now. If every inch of my skin was tattooed with the word "Hate," it would still be insufficient to express the pure, absolute loathing.
You either do not understand. Or you do not care. Ignorance is no excuse. And apathy is no excuse. Both are detestable in equal measure. YOU are detestable in a way that the English language fails to provide words to adequately define. The sheer amoral hypocrisy you have displayed is so fucking sickening that I had to actually and truly swallow a mouthful of pepto-bismol to keep myself from possibly vomiting. I have not experienced such intense fury towards another human being in only a little less than a decade. You bitch about any left-leaning or independent members of this forum not taking your endless bullshit whining about the democratic party doing things wrong while blatantly and totally ignoring what your own party does wrong, while never managing to provide any kind of examples of your nearly-totally corrupt party doing better in the last two-plus decades. And you know why? Because your fanatical devotion to the republican cause has utterly blinded you to just what they have become. Your ego will not let you accept the fact you have been wrong for a very...very...VERY long time. That the republican party has been wrong for that amount of time. Morally, and ethically, and politically wrong. All the evidence works against the republicans. And they divert attention to minor problems while completely and blatantly refusing to acknowledge the major problems their actions have caused and continue to cause.
And you claim that it's me that deflects? When I have criticized erroneous policies the democrats, whom I do not tend to vote for, and you have never once had the moral decency and honesty to do yourself?
I cannot participate further in this discussion. What I have read here is too offensive to my morality and basic human ethics for me to tolerate hearing any more of, which I know if I linger in this thread, I most certainly will, given the source of it and the contents of what will undoubtedly be said. Even if I could stomach hearing it, there would be no point to me addressing it. This..."man," this individual, this fucking nazi fascist motherfucking immoral right-wing-slave is incapable of understanding just how badly he is wrong on so many levels. My desire to try to make you understand, AT, to try to get you to realize just how disgusting what you've been saying is falls on deaf ears, bounces off a brick wall, is lost in space. Clearly, you do not understand. And I don't think you ever will.
You are a lost cause. And if I didn't despise you so much, I would pity you with the same intensity that I now hate you.
Unbelievable how thoroughly brain-washed and naive you actually are. In typical leftist fashion you perfectly spew your hatred and intolerance against those who are ideologically different from you. As far as you hating and despising me, I couldn't care less you immature crybaby. You're just a dumbass kid.
"Inside every Liberal there's a Totalitarian screaming to get out"
Quote: JohnDG...
Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.
Based upon the guy's condition he was a goner. Of course the lung treatment made him more comfortable for his eventual death. It sounds like he had a lousy doctor and never took care of himself.
Quote:Jeff was admitted to the hospital because he had cancerous tumors all over his fucking body, his lungs were filling with fluid, and if he was not admitted, he. Would. Die. For some reason, Medical Reviewer Layma Jarjour MD decided that this was not "medically necessary."
If putting someone into the hospital to save their life because their lungs are filling with fluid and that person will die if they are not treated immediately is not "medically necessary", what is?!
Miserable fucks.
Er, dipshit, Obamacare is in place. Last time I checked, Obama wasn't Republican.
It's a private health insurance company, asswipe. You know, the kind that makes insurance execs rich while fucking everyone else over. If only Obamacare had done away with all these fucks we would have been better off but alas, he copied the republicunt plan... and left them in place.
(June 12, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's a private health insurance company, asswipe.
No shit, Sherlock.
Quote:You know, the kind that makes insurance execs rich while fucking everyone else over. If only Obamacare had done away with all these fucks we would have been better off but alas, he copied the republicunt plan... and left them in place.
Key words bolded. Dumbocrats had a mandate to make a change and this is what we got. Blame both sides if you like, but you look like an idiot if you pretend it's just a Republican thing.
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