(June 6, 2014 at 2:54 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Mick,

are you here for reasonable debate? Or to post unevidenced assertions and declare yourself the winner on every subject?

I have to say, frankly, what you're posting has been posted a million times before and debunked in equal measure. Using fallicious (and demonstrably false) logic does not win you any debating kudos anywhere, except maybe on theist sites.

I am not trying to win, I am trying to explain. I like debating, but again, if you don't like my style, what can I do? I have declared myself a winner of nothing. Are you suggesting that I leave, because my debate is so fallacious?

No, I'm not suggesting you leave.

But if you accept that your arguments are fallacious, then, well, what's the point of debating?

Again, as many, many other posters have said. Utilising arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity are categorically not good ways to either get a point across or successfully debate. It is futile talking to someone who doesn't understand this. Now a I'm not accusing you of not knowing what they are, but if you do you're simply ignoring it and continuing to use them as the staple part of your argument.

You said you like communicating with people. But it doesn't look like you're trying to communicate at all. It looks like you're saying what you believe is true and then refusing to back it up with evidence aside mere assertions.

Just for you insanity

Having diabetes mellitus makes you more likely to die of heart disease.

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(June 6, 2014 at 12:49 pm)mickiel Wrote: Cause is another proof of god. There has to be a cause for everything, and evolution nor science has a cause for life, consciousness and matter. Something had to do something for something to exist. Something caused an atom to exist, how could nothing " Cause" it?

So, what do you think caused God?

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Design is proof of God, its evidence of planning in cells and bowels and the sun and in ears, gravity was designed; emotional conten was designed, pluto was designed, eyes were designed. We can accept that airplanes were designed, automobiles were designed, but oh no, we were not designed, nature just built us. No were are evidence of design, our digestive system was designed.

Saying things are designed doesn't make them designed, it makes people think you don't have any better reason than 'looks designed to me!' for your opinion.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Morals are evidence of god. Why do we care about each other? Why do we love people? Why do we have laws and obey those laws? Explain how that evolved?

Memory is evidence of god; why do we remember things? How could a physically evolving brain develop memory without sense's to retrospect with identification? Why would nature want us to recall or remember, if its just an advancing evolving unseen mythical force; why do we think backwards?

Can you name something that isn't evidence of God?

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(June 6, 2014 at 12:51 pm)mickiel Wrote: He caused parts of himself, that much I know; he created parts of himself, but outside of that little information, I just don't know.

You don't know what caused the universe, either.

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I would be very interested in seeing your proof that something cannot come from nothing.
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Sure. If I may use you in this experiment. You are something, something cannot pull something out of nothing. If so, you reach inside of the empty air in front of you and pull something back from it.

Since this is not possible, where did space time come from, then?

You seem to be saying God can't make something from nothing.

(June 6, 2014 at 4:04 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 2:54 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am not trying to win, I am trying to explain. I like debating, but again, if you don't like my style, what can I do? I have declared myself a winner of nothing. Are you suggesting that I leave, because my debate is so fallacious?

No, I'm not suggesting you leave.

But if you accept that your arguments are fallacious, then, well, what's the point of debating?

Again, as many, many other posters have said. Utilising arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity are categorically not good ways to either get a point across or successfully debate. It is futile talking to someone who doesn't understand this. Now a I'm not accusing you of not knowing what they are, but if you do you're simply ignoring it and continuing to use them as the staple part of your argument.

You said you like communicating with people. But it doesn't look like you're trying to communicate at all. It looks like you're saying what you believe is true and then refusing to back it up with evidence aside mere assertions.

Well I can stop debating if you like. I cannot please you, I already know that; so what do you suggest?

You're not debating, you're making baseless assertions.

(June 6, 2014 at 1:07 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: If it's evidence of a mind, it's evidence of a mind with limited imagination, limited intelligence, and limited rsources. Conservation of ingredients or effort is something an omniscient or omnipotent designer would have no reason for...particularly if the results are indistinguishable from what could happen with normal variations combined with natural selection. Heck, even a mortal genetic engineer can design a lifeform that was clearly designed.

I disagree, and I do not view god as " omni" anything. To claim a designer has no need for ingredients, is non sensical to me. god is a creator, he create things and repeatedly uses those things in other creating.

Judging from the results, if there was a designer, it was a committee of minds with differing goals and levels of competence.

(June 6, 2014 at 4:12 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Since this is not possible, where did space time come from, then?

You seem to be saying God can't make something from nothing.

Ahh, finally; it came from the creative conscious mind of god! Evidence it had to be a god, because in our physical reality, its impossible for something to come out of nothing.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm)mickiel Wrote: I backed it up with a fact, its a fact that evolution cannot create anything! You are dismissing that fact.

This is not evidence. This is an assertion. It is a needless assertion, as no one with ANY knowledge of evolution has ever made a claim that evolution creates anything.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm)mickiel Wrote: Creation requires creator,

Assertion. Evidence required.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm)mickiel Wrote: new life requires that it came from something already alive!

Assertion. Evidence required.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm)mickiel Wrote: Intelligence breeds intelligence. Humans give birth to humans. This is back up which you cannot see, just as Christians cannot see there is no such thing as hell; goes right over their heads!

More needless statements, but an assertions nonetheless. And what can I not see? The fact that you think that just because I don't buy into everything you say that I am somehow deficient in understanding? I assure you that's not the case.