(June 9, 2014 at 10:40 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm)mickiel Wrote: No it does not; god gave himself consciousness; I just can't explain how.

[emphasis is mine]

An yet, in your arrogance, you expect us to blindly accept this claim while not even considering ours.

So, why can't the universe have created itself. After all, you're claiming that god created itself.

Because creation requires a mind, the universe has none.
It requires planning, the universe itself has no self or plan
It requires raw beginning birth power, the universe has none
It requires laws, the universe had none before it was to be
It requires reason, the universe cannot reason of itself
It requires ingredients, the universe prior had none
It requires knowledge, the universe has no knowledge
It requires experience, the universe had no experience
It requires water, the universe had no water
It requires matter, the universe had no matter
It requires gravity, the universe had none
It requires chemicals, the universe had no chemicals
It required power to be maintained, the universe just had no such power.

Its academic, there must be a God!

(June 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:35 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: No, it's not. One is the real case, and has lots of evidence to support it. The other is an illusion. If you ever did any actual research on evolution and/or biology you'd know the difference.

I am tempted to give you my view of evolution, but it will only roll off you like water on a duck's back.

Or facts off a Mickiel.

(June 9, 2014 at 9:27 pm)mickiel Wrote: The failure is your's to understand me. A serious error in judgment.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am tempted to give you my view of evolution, but it will only roll off you like water on a duck's back.

Or facts off a Mickiel.

Thank you, you honor me Rampant A.I., I honor you in return.

(June 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: If I were you, I would not throw any new atheist at me, 20 of you old ones are having enough problems with me as it is; you'd better rethink that one.

We're having trouble with you?!?

Comedy gold Jerry! Comedy gold!

(June 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:35 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: No, it's not. One is the real case, and has lots of evidence to support it. The other is an illusion. If you ever did any actual research on evolution and/or biology you'd know the difference.

I am tempted to give you my view of evolution, but it will only roll off you like water on a duck's back.

Okay, bring it on.

This should be fun.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:51 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: If I were you, I would not throw any new atheist at me, 20 of you old ones are having enough problems with me as it is; you'd better rethink that one.

We're having trouble with you?!?

Riddle me this, how could abundant space come from absolute nothing?

How could 20 atheist handle Mickiel?

Absolute nothing. A poem is then inspired;

Don't throw any new atheist at me
far too young and still on the tree
give me what's ripe and ready to fall
and not just one of them-
send me them all!

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)mickiel Wrote: Oh I love science

Yeah, it shows.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)mickiel Wrote: my daughter teaches it in high school.

Maybe you can get her to teach you some.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)mickiel Wrote: I just finished Julian Jaynes " The Origin of Consciousness in the Bi cameral mind." Stunning read, excellent and hard read too.

Not familiar with it. I'll have to look it up. Unless it's some of your psuedo-scientific bullshit in print.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)mickiel Wrote: Science as a whole, oh I am woefully ignorant, yes. But I am smart enough to NEVER call anyone ignorant.

You act like I insulted you. It's not like I called you stupid. You do understand the difference between stupidity and ignorance?!?

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(June 9, 2014 at 10:20 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:15 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: Because, up to and including this post, you have not presented any evidence. None whatsoever. Bare assertions and arguments from ignorance, but not the least shred of evidence.

Open your mind and read some science!

Open you're mind and read more of my evidence;

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/genera...l-113.html

Rum atheist run; but where you gone hide?

Do you seriously believe your "evidence" has got me on the run?!? Seriously?

(June 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:51 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

We're having trouble with you?!?

Riddle me this, how could abundant space come from absolute nothing?

How could 20 atheist handle Mickiel?

Absolute nothing. A poem is then inspired;

Don't throw any new atheist at me
far too young and still on the tree
give me what's ripe and ready to fall
and not just one of them-
send me them all!

We don't know.

Which is a better answer than, "We don't know, therefore god did done it. Hyuk!"

You know it's hubris and a sign of failure when your arguments have been debunked but you claim victory, anyway.

Are you a young earth creationist by any chance? That's a common tactic of theirs.