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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:13 am
(June 19, 2014 at 10:49 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 10:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You couldn't look around the corner first. You just had to believe it was there and take it. You assumed in your favour. Your analogy of torture is very wrong too. The torture is what you get without the million dollars: you're without the million dollars. If you want to complicate things further... you can keep the million dollars when you die.
Still, it's refreshing to see another atheist who understands that proof is impossible.
Ah yeah that makes you a better person than me then. I'm sorry your holiness.
"If you want to complicate things further"
Yes, my point in adding on all those stipulations is that your analogy was oversimplsitic and sloppy. You could keep qualifying your million dollars analogy to infinity, and wouldn't reach the level of complexity that a God belief (and all the rammifications attached to it) would entail.
Stop using truncated, lazy examples and start giving evidence for your God.
(EDIT: Unrelated, but can someone tell me how to do a "hidden quote" thing? Like you have to hit the button to show the quote? I want to avoid having massive textwall quotes)
Analogies are analogues. They're not meant to be perfect. But obviously you couldn't have evidence for the money... I thought that would be obvious. Sloppy would be inaccurate, as you made it.
No need to change the subject. The analogy works perfectly well.
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:14 am
(June 19, 2014 at 11:13 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 10:49 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: "If you want to complicate things further"
Yes, my point in adding on all those stipulations is that your analogy was oversimplsitic and sloppy. You could keep qualifying your million dollars analogy to infinity, and wouldn't reach the level of complexity that a God belief (and all the rammifications attached to it) would entail.
Stop using truncated, lazy examples and start giving evidence for your God.
(EDIT: Unrelated, but can someone tell me how to do a "hidden quote" thing? Like you have to hit the button to show the quote? I want to avoid having massive textwall quotes)
Analogies are analogues. They're not meant to be perfect. But obviously you couldn't have evidence for the money... I thought that would be obvious. Sloppy would be inaccurate, as you made it.
No need to change the subject. The analogy works perfectly well.
if you honestly can't see why your analogy isn't apt, then I'm not sure it's worth having the conversation.
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:15 am
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am by fr0d0.)
(June 19, 2014 at 11:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: Ah... beware of nested hide tags... they don't work so well... For those cases, you can use the spoiler and the hide tags, but you can only go down two levels:
Spoiler also doesn't work on the mobile site. Curse you! (Your holiness)
(June 19, 2014 at 11:14 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: if you honestly can't see why your analogy isn't apt, then I'm not sure it's worth having the conversation.
Fair enough. As a parting gesture could you point that out for me please?
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There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am
(June 19, 2014 at 9:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 9:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'll bite. I'd walk around the corner and take the money. What's your point?
Atheists say that they won't believe in God unless he proves himself to them. They won't take the money without proof that it's there first.
How would one go about taking 'unproven' money?
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am
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Modhat Speed Bump: It is avised for all users in this thread to read the rules. If you feel like you are being baited, probably you are. Keep it civil people!
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:20 am
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(June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 9:56 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheists say that they won't believe in God unless he proves himself to them. They won't take the money without proof that it's there first.
How would one go about taking 'unproven' money?
Thank you for proving the point lol 
(June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am)LastPoet Wrote: Modhat Speed Bump: It is avised for all users in this thread to read the rules. If you feel like you are being baited, probably you are. Keep it civil people!
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There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:36 am
(June 19, 2014 at 11:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 11:17 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: How would one go about taking 'unproven' money?
Thank you for proving the point lol :)
Huh? That was a genuine question. How would one go about taking money without seeing it, touching it etc?
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:46 am
(June 19, 2014 at 11:36 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 11:20 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Thank you for proving the point lol
Huh? That was a genuine question. How would one go about taking money without seeing it, touching it etc?
It's around the corner. As soon as you decide to take it and walk around the corner it's there. You have to be bothered to walk around the corner. It won't come around the corner to you. Just like in this reality... money can't walk.
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:48 am
(June 19, 2014 at 11:36 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: Huh? That was a genuine question. How would one go about taking money without seeing it, touching it etc? Those are "god dollars." You can't see or touch them. But they're there. You cash them in after you die and wake up in heaven. If you wake up in hell you're pretty well screwed though, because the Devil treats that shit like confederate two-dollar bills. Won't even buy you one of those little flavored ices from the demon on the street corner.
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RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 11:52 am
(June 19, 2014 at 11:46 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 19, 2014 at 11:36 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: Huh? That was a genuine question. How would one go about taking money without seeing it, touching it etc?
It's around the corner. As soon as you decide to take it and walk around the corner it's there. You have to be bothered to walk around the corner. It won't come around the corner to you. Just like in this reality... money can't walk.
Another sloppy conflation. Turning the corner accomplishes both verifying the money is real and you obtaining the money.
Believing in a God only accomplishes believing in a God, and does not verify God is real. Obviously if we were to turn the corner and see the money, we would believe the money is present. We can't 'turn the corner' for God. You're asking for belief without evidence again.
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