(June 19, 2014 at 12:59 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Atheism is not a religion, ONLY IF they gave freedom of religion (ways of life), ie. they are not attaching the importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, but finding the similarities for unity within diversity.

Do you find the evidence to counter the above definition ?

No. . . in fact, they are more religious than the religious people, and they are focusing diversion on differences and criticizing religions more than the religious people. They have no respect for people traditions and system of life.

Well, ignoring the totally off the mark conclusions you have drawn from grossly faulty reasoning, can you cite, showing your reasoning, a reason why anyone should 'respect' someone else's belief system?

All I've seen is baseless assertions as to why atheism is a religion, so I'm happy that I can ignore them until you provide something more substantive after all, I was an atheist from birth, and I certainly don't remember being born knowing Marx (??? - there were atheists before Marx you know) or indeed any literature, religious or political.

Thanks in advance.

(June 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 1:19 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That might be the single most naive/dishonest thing I've ever heard anyone say.

Again, using fallacy doesn't prove anything.

It actually proves that you can be ignored until you say something coherent. Which as of yet you've failed to do.

Do you like puppies?

I like puppies.

(June 19, 2014 at 1:09 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

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What would happen to society if everybody in Christendom actually practiced the teachings of Jesus?
What if everybody in the Buddhist world actually practiced the teachings of Siddharta Gautama?
And everybody in Hindustan practiced the teachings of Krishna & the Sages?
And everybody in the Sikh world practiced the teachings of the Guru Nanak Sahib?
And everybody in the Taoist world practiced the teachings of Lao Tzu?
And everybody in Islam practiced the teachings of the Quran?
And everybody in the Bahá’í Faith practiced the teachings of Bahá’u’lláh?
What would happen if everybody in “godless” liberalism actually practiced the teachings of Emma Goldman and Henry David Thoreau and Karl Marx and all their unknown heralds who were assasinated for social justice?

If everybody practiced these things, there is no religion.

This is the true atheism, and not those who are criticizing other religions 24/7.

These people are religious people, and don't practice what they say they believe.

They are hypocrites.

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Here are some of the rules from the Christian religion that those hypocrites you spoke of need to start following so the world can be a better place
-Murder, rape, and pillage
Judges 21:10-24
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
-Rapists should follow raping rules
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
-And obviously rape victims are to be put to death
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
-More rape
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Judges 5:30
Zechariah 14:1-2
-Sex Slaves Exodus 21:7-11
-Murder*
*Non-believers
Deuteronomy 17:12
*Witches
Exodus 22:17
*Homosexuals
Leviticus 20:13
*Fortunetellers
Leviticus 20:27
*Bad kids
Exodus 21:15
Proverbs 20:20
Leviticus 20:9
*Unmarried people who like sex
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
*Those who believe other religions
Exodus 22:19
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
*Nonbelievers
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
*False Prophets
Zechariah 13:3
*Women who are not virgins before marriage
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
*Annoying kids
2 Kings 2:23-24
Jeremiah 48:10
-You are cursed if you refused to kill for god
2 Kings 2:23-24
-And finally slavery
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Luke 12:47-48

(June 19, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Losty Wrote: Here are some of the rules from the Christian religion that those hypocrites you spoke of need to start following so the world can be a better place

That is your ideology and that's what I said. . .

(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Check the dictionary. . .

Religion is based on the "fallacy of hasty generalization". . . and "sectarianism" is based on the "fallacy of hasty generalization"

Therefore, "religion" is "sectarianism".

Your ideology are based on sectarianism, the same way what religion is all about. .

Judaism says ABC is just and balance.
Christianity says ABC is just and balance.
Atheism says ABC is just and balance.

But then, the whole of your ideology are right, the whole of their ideology are wrong, because you . . .

(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: -> -> attaching importance to

-> -> -> "perceived differences"

-> -> -> -> between subdivisions within a group

and therefore. . .

(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Atheism attaches the importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group and it is sectarianism.

Therefore, Atheism is a religion.

See? You are the same with those religious people.

Labelling your belief as non religion does not disapprove the facts that you are sectarians and religious people.

It is just label, fallacy.

You are the same type with those people. . .

You say religious people cannot prove God exists.
Religious people say you cannot prove God doesn't exist.
Both agree that there is the "law of cause and effect" and/or "supernatural higher intelligence"
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What difference does it makes between you and them ?
Why suddenly you are better than them , when both believe the law of cause and effect ?

. . .

You say religious people cannot give direct evidence God exists.
Religious people say you deny the circumstantial and corroborative evidence to the existence of God or supernatural higher intelligence
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What difference does it makes between you and them ?
Why suddenly you are better than them ?
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You cannot even prove, at least "one thing" from this whole universe that existed out of nothing, ie. that are not subjected to the "law of cause and effect". . .
other than hiding behind your hypocrisy and religion of negativism, "I deny, I deny, I deny, I deny, I deny".

This is the religion of hypocrisy, and which their values of life merely existed from a brainwashed values of life, brainwashed society . . . from illusion.

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(June 19, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: showing your reasoning, a reason why anyone should 'respect' someone else's belief system?

Because . . .

Judaism says ABC is just and balance.
Christianity says ABC is just and balance.
Atheism says ABC is just and balance.

Then, please explain why the Judaism and Christianity "ABC" is wrong and your "ABC" is right ?

Atheism is also not perfect as any other religions . . .

This is not sectarianism or the fallacy of hasty generalization ?

This is not a religion ?

Please kindly explain why your "ABC" is right than those of from Judaism and Christianity ?

(June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Losty Wrote: Here are some of the rules from the Christian religion that those hypocrites you spoke of need to start following so the world can be a better place

That is your ideology and that's what I said. . .

No no no. Stop right there. You know absolutely nothing of my ideology. You said Christians should follow their religion. I used to be a Christian I still own several bibles. I gave you a list of rules from the bible that Christians are supposed to follow.

That has nothing to do with my ideology or my beliefs. I didn't tell you anything about my beliefs!

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(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Check the dictionary. . .

Religion is based on the "fallacy of hasty generalization". . . and "sectarianism" is based on the "fallacy of hasty generalization"

Therefore, "religion" is "sectarianism".

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Check a real dictionary love. I already posted the definition of religion.

Here is one of atheism, try to read is slowly
a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Quote:Your ideology are based on sectarianism,

What exactly is my ideology oh wise one?

Quote:the same way what religion is all about. .

Judaism says ABC is just and balance.
Christianity says ABC is just and balance.
Atheism says ABC is just and balance.

But then, your are right, they are wrong, because you . . .

I never said I was right or they were wrong. I never even said that rape, murder, and slavery is wrong. All I said was that those are things true Christians should practice according to the rules of the bible. Guilty conscience much?


Warning Word Salad Ahead!

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(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: -> -> attaching importance to

-> -> -> "perceived differences"

-> -> -> -> between subdivisions within a group

and therefore. . .

(June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Atheism attaches the importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group and it is sectarianism.

Therefore, Atheism is a religion.

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Crunch crunch crunch

Quote:See? You are the same with those religious people.

What makes me the same?
Which religious people?

Quote:Labelling your belief as non religion does not disapprove the facts that you are sectarians and religious people.

I am not a sectarian. I take great offense at you attaching such a hideous false label to me. Unless you've got some serious evidence, you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

Quote:You said religious people cannot prove God exists.
Religious people says you cannot prove God doesn't exist.

No one can prove or disprove a god. It's not possible. How is that relevant.

Quote:What difference does it makes between you and them ?
Why suddenly you are better than them , when both believe the law of cause and effect ?

I never claimed to be better than anyone.

Quote:You say religious people cannot give direct evidence God exists.
Religious people say you deny the circumstantial and corroborative evidence to the existence of God or supernatural higher intelligence

It is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of god.
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Quote:What difference does it makes between you and them ?
Why suddenly you are better than them ?

Why are we dancing in circles?? I never claimed to be better than anyone.

Quote:You cannot even proof, at least "one thing" from this whole universe that existed out of nothing, ie. that are not subjected to the "law of cause and effect". . .
other than hiding behind your hypocrisy and religion of negativism, "I deny, I deny, I deny, I deny, I deny". The religion of hypocrisy.

Wtaf are you even talking about? How is this relevant to the conversation?

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(June 19, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: showing your reasoning, a reason why anyone should 'respect' someone else's belief system?

Because . . .

Judaism says ABC is just and balance.
Christianity says ABC is just and balance.
Atheism says ABC is just and balance.

Then, please explain why the Judaism and Christianity "ABC" is wrong and your "ABC" is right ?

Atheism is also not perfect as any other religions . . .

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism does not have an ABC to claim to be right about.

Quote:This is not sectarianism ?

This is not religion ?

No, no it is not. You really need to start studying vocabulary and working on your reading comprehension.

(June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 19, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: showing your reasoning, a reason why anyone should 'respect' someone else's belief system?

Because . . .

Judaism says ABC is just and balance.
Christianity says ABC is just and balance.
Atheism says ABC is just and balance.

You're telling me what they say, not why is should respect them.

Also, SENSE?

(June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Then, please explain why the Judaism and Christianity "ABC" is wrong and your "ABC" is right ?

SENSE? Word salad, not answering my question. Ignored.

(June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Atheism is also not perfect as any other religions . . .

This is not sectarianism or the fallacy of hasty generalization ?

This is not a religion ?

I presume English isn't your first language because not only did you not respond to anything I said you've also responded with word salad that is indecipherable.

Sectarianism is disagreement/dissension/acts against other sects of the same religion. Your use of this is baffling, and erroneous.

(June 19, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Please kindly explain why your "ABC" are better and right ?

SENSE?

Please respond with something coherent or don't respond at all. Please respond to my actual post if you wish to have a conversation.

Thanks.

Do I see any premises or conclusion from the above post ?

NONE . . in other words, you are using the same strategy,

"I deny, I deny, I deny", and
"fallacy, fallacy, fallacy"

It is the religion of hypocrisy. . . you can continue with your religion.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking

(June 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Do I see any premises or conclusion from the above post ?

NONE . . in other words, you are using the same strategy,

"I deny, I deny, I deny", and
"fallacy, fallacy, fallacy"

It is the religion of hypocrisy. . . you can continue with your religion.

You are talking nonsense.

Respond to my post or do not respond at all.

Again, I have to presume English isn't your first language because all I read from you nonsense and word salad. And asking you to speak sense isn't fallacious, you ding bat.

Fail.

(June 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Do I see any premises or conclusion from the above post ?

NONE . . in other words, you are using the same strategy,

"I deny, I deny, I deny", and
"fallacy, fallacy, fallacy"

It is the religion of hypocrisy. . . you can continue with your religion.

Crunch crunch crunch

I will not continue responding on the "I deny, I deny, I deny" or "fallacy, fallacy, fallacy" contentions. . it is useless.

But what I wish to point out that this thread is about "Believers!! Don't mislead people"

I every religion or group of people, there are people who are the "True Believers", and they are the "Hypocrites". It is not merely in Islam.

The "True Believers" are those who are focused on similarities and unity within diversity. They are the "Peacemakers", and respect all religions, because they respect humanity and justice.

The "Hypocrites" are those who are focused on differences and creating more division in the society, they are promoting wars, and hates within the society. They are the "Corrupters", and do not respect religions, system of life and peoples' traditions. They do not respect humanity and justice.

Atheism is only becoming a true non religious group when they respect peoples' traditions and able to give unconditional freedom of religion and traditions. Otherwise, it is sectarianism, and it is a religion. The ideology of "I am right, they are all wrong". It is bigotism.