(July 31, 2014 at 7:44 am)Baqal Wrote: @Alpha male
-To heaven, per the aforementioned age of accountability doctrine.
Does this apply to just children or does it also work for adults who do not know about your god?

Er, it applies just to children - note the word "age."

What is the age?

(July 31, 2014 at 8:13 am)Losty Wrote: What is the age?

A specific age isn't given, although one passage would indicate as high as twenty. An age probably isn't given because people mature at different ages. While the doctrine has usually been called age of accountability, the point is mental capacity. Personally I'd say that some adults with mental disabilities fall under the doctrine. I'd say that it's definitely above the age/mental capacity of the infants and unborn in the passages cited.

So killing children is actually doing them a favour because they'll go to heaven and avoid any chance of going to hell?

What about people who have never been exposed to Jesus?

(July 31, 2014 at 8:32 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What about people who have never been exposed to Jesus?

They're responsible to respond to whatever truth was given to them. The Bible says that some aspects of God can be known from creation itself, so everyone has received some truth about god. Note that the OT saints were never exposed to Jesus, yet are still saved based on his sacrifice.

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(July 31, 2014 at 8:30 am)jesus_wept Wrote: So killing children is actually doing them a favour because they'll go to heaven and avoid any chance of going to hell?

LOL - I didn't type it out, but reasoning such as this is probably another reason that the doctrine isn't spelled out more clearly.

(July 31, 2014 at 8:35 am)alpha male Wrote:

(July 31, 2014 at 8:32 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What about people who have never been exposed to Jesus?

They're responsible to respond to whatever truth was given to them. The Bible says that some aspects of God can be known from creation itself, so everyone has received some truth about god. Note that the OT saints were never exposed to Jesus, yet are still saved based on his sacrifice.

So someone that's never been exposed to Christianity is still guilty if he looks at nature and doesn't conclude Jesus is Lord?

(July 31, 2014 at 8:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So someone that's never been exposed to Christianity is still guilty if he looks at nature and doesn't conclude Jesus is Lord?

No, I don't see how you get that from what I wrote.

(July 31, 2014 at 8:41 am)alpha male Wrote:

(July 31, 2014 at 8:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So someone that's never been exposed to Christianity is still guilty if he looks at nature and doesn't conclude Jesus is Lord?

No, I don't see how you get that from what I wrote.

Well you said that everyone has been exposed to some truth of God in creation. What truth is that?

(July 31, 2014 at 8:45 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well you said that everyone has been exposed to some truth of God in creation. What truth is that?

It's not that Jesus is Lord, but rather that there is a creator god.