(August 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm)StuW Wrote: Really ? Your reply to my post was LOL? how long did it take to come up with that?

lol

(August 3, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Harris Wrote:

(July 28, 2014 at 4:44 am)pocaracas Wrote: Well, actually, the Law of Gravity, as understood by Hawking is not what you think it is.

Just for a moment, consider all known forces are unified (which is under scrutiny with the discovery of the Higgs Boson, see:Grand Unified Theory). Under this view, gravity is no different from electromagnetism, which is no different from the weak nuclear force, nor different from the strong nuclear force.
So, down deep, the forces and fields which have been shown to bring forth particles from "empty space" are the same forces that govern chemistry, which are the same forces that govern biology.... and are also the same forces that govern what we usually call "gravity", attraction of two masses.

So, given this piece of information, is that quote by Hawking true or false?

You are missing one great fact. According to physicists, all physical laws of the universe came into existence only after the origin of universe. Are you sure that law of gravity or Higgs Boson existed before the origin of the universe when there was no matter and no space?

Misrepresentation and lies, again... why am I not surprised?

What does "before the origin of the universe" mean, if (according to your question) there is no space and, by necessity since Relativity is correct, also no time?
Let me ask it in different terms: what does behind mean, if you have no space?
What channel is on the tv, if the set is turned off?

On the other hand, if there was some sort of space-time before our Universe formed, we have no way of interacting with it, nor measuring, nor even knowing about it.
The big bang is also a big barrier of information... we cannot say anything about what happened prior to it. So we say nothing. Did I forget to mention I was a physicist? Not an astrophysicist, so it's not my field of expertise, but still.... I know a couple of things.

Your "friends" then take this void of information and twist what physicists say into a "there was nothing before and, suddenly, there was something, everything". But that is not what physicists say. That is what theists say: there was nothing, except god, and then, by holy magic, everything came into being.

Physicists also say we can only know about the physical laws at work within our Universe.... what lies beyond, if anything, we cannot tell. No one can tell.
Meaning that anyone claiming to know what lies beyond is lying.

(August 3, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Harris Wrote:

(July 28, 2014 at 8:32 am)pocaracas Wrote: Oh, look, a crocoduck!!

Come on, mr allah-man... tell us how all dogs, jackals and wolves sprouted from Noah's pair of domestic dogs... and remember than there were jackals in ancient Egypt, some 4000 years ago.

“Evolution can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans, and amphibious mammals into whales.”
Live science
http://www.livescience.com/474-controver...works.html

All that fun artwork that you have presented, is in fact should be the reality if evolution really work according to its definition.

“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.

I'm going to guess that you are trying to say that some claim that evolution is blind while others see some sort of direction in evolution... right?

It's wrong.
Evolution does turn one species into another, but in an unguided way. It just so happens that the new species (or more than one species) is(are) the one(s) that has(have) progressively become better adapted to the ever changing environment, while the old one has steadily become worse adapted. It is a very slow, multi-generational mechanism. Many potential changes within a population fail the darwinian test, while a few succeed and make into the next generation and the next, and the next... and, in time, you can tell the life-form is quite different from the original. The original will have become extinct, while the new is alive and well.
In some occasions, no amount of change can adapt to the environment and you get an extinction of the whole "branch" of the tree of life.

Keywords: slow, multi-generational, progressive.

(August 3, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Harris Wrote: Further Quran has not given any information about which pairs Noah had took with him in the Arc. As for the date of flood, you think 4,000 years old pictures of dogs can prove something. No, because I have seen a live Juniper tree whose age according to scientists is more than 4,000 years. However, both these have no relation with the accurate date of Noah’s flood because Quran has not given even an indication when that flood happened. We may try to track the date of the flood by means of genealogy of Jewish prophets but that is also not a proper method because we have no way to estimate in what time which prophet lived due to historical gaps.

So you don't ascribe to the typical creationist mantra of the 6000 year old Earth. Good for you!

Admin,

Im making a complaint, Harris should not be able to list "logical" as his religious view.....Its false advertising.

It's ok. I think it's there more as a joke than anything else.

(August 3, 2014 at 5:19 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: It's ok. I think it's there more as a joke than anything else.

lol

(August 3, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Admin,

Im making a complaint, Harris should not be able to list "logical" as his religious view.....Its false advertising.

Actually, we tend to encourage this. The louder they try to pretend, the more obvious it is they are pretending.

I've head some theists say that religion is the only logical way.

(August 3, 2014 at 5:12 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So you don't ascribe to the typical creationist mantra of the 6000 year old Earth. Good for you!

He needs it. He is good for nothing else.

I love how the OP ignored my long post.

(August 3, 2014 at 8:23 pm)Metazoa Zeke Wrote: I love how the OP ignored my long post.

I hate how I miss you and I wish you posted here more

How's my little brother doing? You good?