(August 10, 2014 at 1:40 pm)KUSA Wrote: The only way to find god is to brainwash yourself. Some people can do this in a short amount of time and others take almost a lifetime to do it.

Once you have succeeded in being brainwashed you achieve a level of madness that allows you to think you have experienced god.

This god is of course is different from person to person. This is evidenced in the fact that no two people have the same idea of god.

This knocking that drippy talks about is nothing more than the tormenting process of weakening your mind to the brink of madness at which point you imagine a god loosely resembling the god described in whatever book you chose such as the bible or koran.

This, annoyingly, probably encapsulates the whole concept of religion better than whole books I've read about it.

(August 9, 2014 at 9:25 pm)Drich Wrote: If I could produce God on demand then he ceases to be God.

Or, more likely, he was never a God to begin with.

Quote:If you want 'proof' you must seek it where and how God told you to look.

God didn't tell me anything about where to look. A book did, but I have no reason to assume that the book is accurately speaking for God, and the fact that knocking didn't work only indicates that the book is wrong.

Quote:Indeed, it is about choice. If your not looking for God you will indeed find what your looking for. Your observation works both ways. If you don't want to believe in God or gods not A/S/King will work well to support what you want to believe.

This is called confirming your bias.

If you're looking for God, you'll find God, because that's what you want and/or expect. If you're looking for whatever the truth happens to be, not caring what it is and caring only that it is true, then of course, you're never going to find God.

Quote:This knocking that drippy talks about is nothing more than the tormenting process

The knocking Drippy hears is his tiny brain rattling inside his skull.

(August 10, 2014 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote: Or maybe it is as the bible says. We must ask seek and knock to meet with God on His terms and not our own.

You need to make a difference between God's terms and the Bible's terms.

If anything should be asked, it should be, "Where is the verifiable proof of stated deity's existence?"

Knocking serves no purpose, because there will either be an answer due to the individual's delusional state of mind or there will be no answer because the person will not forego with reality for the sake of an irrational, comfortable lie.

Quote:You need to make a difference between God's terms and the Bible's terms.

He needs to learn the difference between his own delusions and some fucking god.

(August 10, 2014 at 2:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He needs to learn the difference between his own delusions and some fucking god.

I do not know if Drich is in a state of delusion, but the method he's recommending everyone for identifying a higher power is rather unconvincing.

(August 10, 2014 at 11:43 am)Drich Wrote: And according to Christ in luke 11 you can also meet with God. But on his terms and not your own.

Christ never said any such thing you lying sack of shit. You have, but you're not Christ. You have the typical apologist's disease Drich. You come up with an interpretation of a passage, and if it "sounds good" to you, and seems otherwise consistent with the text, you conclude that it's the "true meaning" of the text. The problem is, as anyone who actually knows something about interpreting texts will tell you, there are as many such interpretations as grains of sand on a beach. That you have pulled this one interpretation out of your ass and declared it the word of God is arrogance beyond belief. I can think of plenty of acceptable interpretations of this passage that don't align with yours. The only thing that makes yours true in your eyes is your swelled head (and tiny brain). For one thing, Jesus is talking to people who already have a relationship with God, as clearly implied by the term "friend." If you go knocking at a strangers house at three in the morning, you're as likely to get a shotgun in the face as bread. Furthermore, it assumes, like Pascal's wager, that you've come to the right door. What if the only inhabited house is that of Shiva; you'll be knocking at Yahweh's door a long time. And furthermore, it assumes that Christ is God; if not, this is just some biblical Joe Six-pack's opinion about what "God" will do. I have no more reason to believe Christ is God than I have to believe that I'm hearing God's interpretation of this parable when I listen to you drone on. Again, this is a parable about a "friend" — it says nothing to the unbeliever. And that you've pulled this whole shenanigans from your ass and are too stupid to know that there's a difference between "your word" and "God's word" gives one all the necessary justification to ignore you and your "interpretation." For God's sake, Drich, it's a parable; it fucking invites multiple interpretations. Yet you're too stupid and egotistical to be able to differentiate between your voice and God's voice.

Quote:“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”

― Susan B. Anthony

Why should I trust any answer I get?

When I was younger I talked to God and Jesus. I saw them and heard them when I prayed and in my dreams. They gave me sage advice that helped me out at the time. I gained comfort and support from them.

I was brought up in the church. I went to religious schools. I studied theology. I read the bible. So I was primed to believe in God. And if you are primed to believe in something and you go out looking for it already believing, you will find it.

My senses lie to me. My mind plays tricks on me. There is no reason beyond my personal subjective experience to believe in the God I was searching for.

(August 10, 2014 at 8:07 am)Esquilax Wrote: I love that you're comparing world leaders, for whom we have plenty of evidence that they exist, and can be provided pictures of on demand, with god, as though they're remotely equal.

what you have is the belief that those who we identify as world leaders are indeed the decision makers we believe them to be. This 'faith' is based on what we have been told by our governments. For example the queen of England is little more than a figure head with no real executive power. So what keeps her in her current role? The faith of the people that wish to keep her in that role and the authority of the government that enacts the want and will of all who believe her to be the queen.

Quote:Remember, before you can answer "why won't god appear?" you've got a much more basic question, that you seem simply incapable of answering properly: "does he exist?"

Again that is not my question to answer. God answers all of those who will simply meet Him on His terms. That is like asking a British subject to provide you with proof of the authority of the queen, when you had the ability and access to speak with her directly.

Why seek a second hand account when you have the option to seek it directly from the source, unless your scared of what you might find out.

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(August 10, 2014 at 10:21 am)Tobie Wrote:

Quote:What about when you are seeking a wife? Like in our search for God all we have to go on is the fact that others have found what they were looking for, even though this in no way means you will experience what they do, nor is their any guarantee that you will even date someone. Yet most of us are willing to try/knock till we find what it is we are looking for.
That is the nature of any relationship, how can anyone claim that is an I falsifiable premise when it is apart of our everyday lives?

Well for one thing, most people don't doubt the existence of other people. You can't equate meeting actual living, breathing people and trying to seek some supposed all-powerful being which has no known evidence in favour of it existing. If you/it wants us to "knock" at least give us some support (actual support, not some book a bunch of guys wrote in the bronze age, or someone's personal testament) for your claims.

This assessment would only be true if everyone who wants a wife is guaranteed to find one. There are those who never find a mate. Therefore the search for 'the one' can be equated to the search for God, as not all who ask and seek will find. Especially if one does not knock, holds fast to what their idea of what 'the one' is supposed to be, and will not accept the evidences of what has been placed I front of them.