(August 13, 2014 at 11:19 am)KUSA Wrote:

(August 13, 2014 at 10:28 am)Drich Wrote: God describes Himself as I am
Exo 3:14

And the Alpha and Omega
this pronouncement is found in several places through out the book of revelation.

In short this means God is whatever He wants to be. their is no authority higher. This also means that alll the omni aspect related paradoxes go away.

Quote:And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

And how exactly is this description of God supposed to give me a 123 view of him?

It sounds like God is Popeye.

The ABC is ASk, Seek Knock. The 123 is the indwellment of the holy Spirit. Meaning God becomes apart of you. If you are faithful to what you have been given in the way of the Holy Spirit, More (understanding/Spiritual gifts) will be given.

The Holy Spirit/God will personally guide and direct you.

(August 13, 2014 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote: What ever you believed failed did it not? Or are you saying what you believe yielded an accurate picture and solid interactive relationship with God, but dispite all of that you turned and left your beliefs anyway? If not then you had a corrupt understanding of who God is.

Pretty heavy SPAGing here. Who are you to say that God isn't simply leading him down a more winding path on the way to enlightenment? Do you know more than God?

Quote:Knowing God is not about behaivor. Biblicaly Christianity centers relationship, not the way we act.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ESV

Seems to me it's better to have both. Is your flavor of Christianity special in this? Can you be a shitty human being your whole life and still get into heaven if you regularly chat with God? Wouldn't heaven be filled with a bunch of insincere assholes if this worked?

Quote:If you seek evidence then ask Him for it. Seek it out until you find it. But first you must understand what evidence is being offered.

I tried doing this over and over when I was a little girl yet all I got were more urges to know what it felt like to touch the other girls slender wrists or run my fingertips along the curves of their necks. Is... is God a lesbian? I followed the evidence I found in prayer and can determine that yes, yes It is.

Voluntary assimilation into the collective. Sounds so appealing.

(August 13, 2014 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Jenny A Wrote: But it DOES lead to belief is other gods and other supernatural things. That's how little Muslims are made.

Actually no. The God of the bible is the only God who seeks a relationship with His followers. Muslims do what they do for material reward in the after life.

Seeking a personal relationship with god, has nothing to do with it. The point is that using one's inner self to test the truth of a proposition, or to find a truth is a method that creates believers in all sorts of thing, religious and otherwise supernatural. As those things often contradict each other, it's obvious the method is unreliable.

(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I am suggesting that you put away ALL your preconceptions and just Seek The God of the Bible what ever the out come.

And I just explained above, that while that might actually work in the sense that it produces belief in god in some people, it is a stupid way of going about discovering the truth about anything but your own insides.

(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Other examples include your understanding of the religions you mention. You believe they all point to the same end goal. They don't. Only in Christianity does the God of all creation seek a relationship with His followers. The rest are simply rewards based after life or even next life religions.

The point is not what you seek when you read and then look within for truth; it's that if you do, you will find what your are seeking. You presupposed the Biblical god and found him. Others presuppose other things and find those things. For a Mormon example see here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-27960.html

(August 13, 2014 at 11:19 am)KUSA Wrote: It sounds like God is Popeye.

Except that Popeye would totally kick God's ass.

(August 13, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Voluntary assimilation into the collective. Sounds so appealing.

Even when the collective is fictional.

I suppose Drippy is just a more pathetically delusional, and much, much less perceptive and intelligent version of the perpetual virgin of the Trekkie persuasion dressing up as a Borg.

"a/s/k" is nothing more than a crazed admonition to "pretend", "pretend", "pretend". If pretending doesn't make you believe in the pretense, then you are not pretending right.

He fail to understand how one could have better things to do then to pretend, and believing one's pretense is actually convincing sign of psychiatric disease.

(August 13, 2014 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: Actually no. The God of the bible is the only God who seeks a relationship with His followers.

I think Callisto, Alcmene, Europa, Leda, and Danae would disagree with you. Zeus got all up and personal on them.

(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I am suggesting that you put away ALL your preconceptions and just Seek The God of the Bible what ever the out come.

From everything you've said here it really seems like you had some huge preconceptions yourself.

(August 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Other examples include your understanding of the religions you mention. You believe they all point to the same end goal. They don't. Only in Christianity does the God of all creation seek a relationship with His followers. The rest are simply rewards based after life or even next life religions.

What is heaven then if not the ultimate reward for being a good little sheep? Bribing people with a massive reward or threatening them with eternal punishment seems like the absolute worst way to strike up a conversation. "Hey babe, come have a drink and chat with me or I'll torture you forever." Worst. Pick-up line. Ever.

(August 13, 2014 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote: If you seek the God of the bible, as presented in the bible you will given the Holy Spirit.

It seems as if he makes it pretty complicated to receive the holy spirit.

Drich Wrote:As far as i am aware no other active god seeks a relationship with man as the God of the bible.

Then perhaps the one true god does not seek such a thing. That would seem to make more sense, than a god who desires a relationship yet makes it so difficult to get in touch with him.

Drich Wrote:Now ask yourself why He demands this.

I have, and I may even have asked in this topic once or twice. There is no answer that I can see that makes sense. God wants a relationship with us yet refuses to simply come out and say so, instead offering an apparently simple method of reaching him which is fraught with complications that make it nearly impossible to do so in a convincing manner.

Maybe he's the wrong god, then? Maybe the other gods don't need for people to A/S/K because they have other methods of being found. Certainly there have been lots of people who worshiped many different gods. Maybe for them, the idea that you have to ask god to show up is ludicrous and indicative of his weakness. Then again, they can't seem to get their gods to show up and say "hi" either, so their explanations are no more convincing than A/S/K.

I really wish there was a google translate option for "Circular apologist bullshit".

Apparently it's "Drich".