(August 27, 2014 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: Alright what outside evidence are you looking for?

How about evidence that is not strictly reliant upon invalid, fallible, insupportable personal faith?

(August 27, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(August 27, 2014 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: Alright what outside evidence are you looking for?

How about evidence that is not strictly reliant upon invalid, fallible, insupportable personal faith?

such as? Because all evidence is based in faith at one choke point or another. Either faith in the evidence source or faith in the interpretation of said evidence.

So again, what kind of evidence specifically are you looking for?

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(August 27, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(August 27, 2014 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: Ok, let's finish your proposal to it's logical conclusion then shall we?

Alright what outside evidence are you looking for?

What evidence for the existence of a god other than the one you believe in, would you be looking for?

Yeah, it's kind of like that.

Then it's real simple.

I looked for a series of verifiable promises a specific deity made and then set out to see if what they say would happen indeed happen.

For instance A/S/K so I asked sought and knock and got what was promised.

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Because all evidence is based in faith

False. for evidence is based on reality whereas faith is based on fantasy.

There is no verifiable evidence that your faith is more substantial than fantasy, and you would rather pull nonsensical answers from your ass than admit to it.

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: such as? Because all evidence is based in faith at one choke point or another. Either faith in the evidence source or faith in the interpretation of said evidence.

When you cross the street, do you use faith or demonstrable evidence that there are no cars coming?

Since you are still alive as an adult, I'll bet the answer is not faith.

Quote:Then it's real simple.

I looked for a series of verifiable promises a specific deity made and then set out to see if what they say would happen indeed happen.

For instance A/S/K so I asked sought and knock and got what was promised.

Only problem, 1.5 billion Muslims claim they've received what is promised in their holy text also.

What else you got that's not based on confirmation bias and presupposition?

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Because all evidence is based in faith at one choke point or another. Either faith in the evidence source or faith in the interpretation of said evidence.

So, when we tell you that the 'evidence' says that the average gravitational acceleration rate on Earth is 9.8 m/s², everyone, including inanimate objects, are just taking it on faith? And everything just coincidentally follows that 'faith' consistently and reliably?

That must be some pretty powerful faith there....

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: so I asked sought and knock and got what was promised.

Delusional wish fulfillment.

(August 27, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Because all evidence is based in faith

False. for evidence is based on reality whereas faith is based on fantasy.

There is no verifiable evidence that your faith is more substantial than fantasy, and you would rather pull nonsensical answers from your ass than admit to it.

at some point no matter how strong you believe evidence to be there still is a mustard seed's worth of faith needed to accept said evidence as truth. Faith in the collection process, faith in the evidence itself or faith in the interpertation of the evidence as being accurate is still faith.

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(August 27, 2014 at 2:49 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When you cross the street, do you use faith or demonstrable evidence that there are no cars coming?

Since you are still alive as an adult, I'll bet the answer is not faith.

One typically uses his eyes and ears. For their to be no faith required in the evidence gathering one's eyes and hear must always be without fault or failure. Which is not always the case.. Something as simple as a rainy day will dramaticly reduce one's ablity to use either of those senses. So again here comes faith that pushes one across the street by filling in what the eyes and ears are limited by.

Quote:Only problem, 1.5 billion Muslims claim they've received what is promised in their holy text also.

You don't know that the religion very well do you? Muslims can not claim anything in this life because nothing is offered.

Quote:What else you got that's not based on confirmation bias and presupposition?

Can you demonstrate that anythi[/quote]ng I have 'offered' is based on comfirmation bias and presupposition?

(August 28, 2014 at 10:24 am)Drich Wrote: You don't know that the religion very well do you? Muslims can not claim anything in this life because nothing is offered.

What does that even mean? Please explain.

Quote:Can you demonstrate that anything I have 'offered' is based on comfirmation bias and presupposition?

Well, you presuppose the existence of God. The existence of any other deities seems to be impossible in your worldview because you presuppose that only God exists.

(August 27, 2014 at 2:50 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(August 27, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Because all evidence is based in faith at one choke point or another. Either faith in the evidence source or faith in the interpretation of said evidence.

So, when we tell you that the 'evidence' says that the average gravitational acceleration rate on Earth is 9.8 m/s², everyone, including inanimate objects, are just taking it on faith? And everything just coincidentally follows that 'faith' consistently and reliably?

That must be some pretty powerful faith there....

How do you know this to be true? Because the internet told you? because you read it in a book? Even if what you read was correct, you should then ask are their any other variables that can change this formula?

What if i told you the gravitional rate on earth increases when the drag coefficient decreases? so to say "The gravitational acceleration rate on Earth is 9.8 m/s²" is at best an estimation. because the higher up you go the higher the gravitional rate will increase up to an objects terminal velocity. as the atmosphere thickens more drag is applied and the terminal velocity will decrease and the acceleration rate will also decrease the closer one gets to sea level...

So yeah, it takes 'faith' to believe what you know about gravity is indeed 100% complete and correct.. You just don't seem to be aware of the faith you have.

It also take a whole heck of a lot of faith to spout off random facts against a known fact checker without first doing a google search on what it is you think you know.

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(August 28, 2014 at 10:55 am)Baqal Wrote: What does that even mean? Please explain.

You said 1.5 billions muslims can also claim they got what their god promised. I said you do not understand that religion, because you are assuming that muslims are also promised what I have reported Christians have been promised. This is not true. Muslims and Christians are not working for the same goals and or promises.

Aside from the promises of assureances that muslim believer need not worship any other God because allah will love them if they are faithful.. Allah makes no promises to be activly carried out and verifiable in this life. It's all geared for the next one..
There are only 25 muslim identified promises of allah (I only count about a dozen the rest are religious fluff) and nothing execept the assurance of harship can be verified in a believer's life. even then that is a two part promise and the second part can not be verified till after Death.
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/...7400.shtml

Christians on the other hand Are offered to have God Himself be incorperated into their being.

Quote:Well, you presuppose the existence of God. The existence of any other deities seems to be impossible in your worldview because you presuppose that only God exists.

when did i say this? or are you just playing to Christian cliche'? are you working your own confirmation bias here, because very little to anything you have ever brought to the discussion is relevant. You just keep defaulting to a general atheist verse Christian arguements. When challenged to demonstrate your assertions and apply them to the conversation you speak to sterotypes.

He said "average" gravitational acceleration rate.