(June 12, 2010 at 6:42 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(June 12, 2010 at 5:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: There is NO GOD!!

Worse, there is no god concept.

Worse still....

There are heaps of concepts....7 billion last time I looked..... none of them accurate, all of them personal.

(June 12, 2010 at 6:48 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Worse still....

There are heaps of concepts....7 billion last time I looked..... none of them accurate, all of them personal.

7 billion attempts of concepts maybe, but when I say "concept" I implicitly mean "clear, consistent concept".
Maybe I'm too hung up on quality...sorry for that, I'm only human.

(June 12, 2010 at 6:54 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

(June 12, 2010 at 6:48 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Worse still....

There are heaps of concepts....7 billion last time I looked..... none of them accurate, all of them personal.

7 billion attempts of concepts maybe, but when I say "concept" I implicitly mean "clear, consistent concept".
Maybe I'm too hung up on quality...sorry for that, I'm only human.

Blessings on your purple sox PR!!*waves*


That is my point....billions of concepts ...none of them accurate nor CONSISTENT all woefully lacking.

(June 12, 2010 at 4:32 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

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(June 9, 2010 at 8:37 pm)tackattack Wrote: If you don't like the web slang capitonym (correctly defined by Rhizzo) then how about homonym further deliniated in common language with a capitol first letter.
6 (Ad.1)- Agreed.
7 -Yes atheists pick, Christians pick too. However, from my experience here specifically a lot of athesits deny the good and over emphasize the bad. Even the skeptics annotated Guide to the Bible has a section of Good things in the Bible. As to where in the Bible God is Love

Theists are making the claim involving a god concept, not atheists. Theists should state and define exactly what they mean by it, not atheists. It is true that atheists should verify specifics of the claim made by theists in debate. Practice is that there is no one coherent formulation of theists of the god concept and that in many cases theists "define" it by referring to books like the bible or the quaran. This sloppy behaviour on what theists generally regard as the most basic fact of their lives, invites atheists to a practice of guessing which part of the bible are within the concept in a specific case. I personally hold the position that no coherent concept of god has ever been presented to me and that the god claim makes no sense. Your attempt to "clarify" for me is a glaring example of the many evasive manaouvres theists use to suggest clarity of an ill defined concept.

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What exactly am I evading or manuvering around so I can directly answer it please pr.

(June 12, 2010 at 5:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

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What is amusing is ...Well just 'What if Atheists are right?'

THIS is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing things that theists have to deal with...it is something that haunts their subconscious even though they will never articulate it....

There is NO GOD!!

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I'm sure I already answered this question, I just can't find it. If atheists are right then there's nothing. That's not a big deal a life spent doing good works is a life well spent. It's not a question that "haunts my subconscious" there's nothing I'm "failing to articulate" nor is it "frustrating or embarassing" in the slightest. If athesits are right nothing at all happens and all the hatred and dissent sown was nothing but a detriment to society. Perhaps if there were more apatheists or ignostics we'd make a lot better progresion then who's right and wrong and intolerance on both sides.

(June 12, 2010 at 7:49 am)tackattack Wrote:

(June 12, 2010 at 4:32 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:

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(June 9, 2010 at 8:37 pm)tackattack Wrote: If you don't like the web slang capitonym (correctly defined by Rhizzo) then how about homonym further deliniated in common language with a capitol first letter.
6 (Ad.1)- Agreed.
7 -Yes atheists pick, Christians pick too. However, from my experience here specifically a lot of athesits deny the good and over emphasize the bad. Even the skeptics annotated Guide to the Bible has a section of Good things in the Bible. As to where in the Bible God is Love

Theists are making the claim involving a god concept, not atheists. Theists should state and define exactly what they mean by it, not atheists. It is true that atheists should verify specifics of the claim made by theists in debate. Practice is that there is no one coherent formulation of theists of the god concept and that in many cases theists "define" it by referring to books like the bible or the quaran. This sloppy behaviour on what theists generally regard as the most basic fact of their lives, invites atheists to a practice of guessing which part of the bible are within the concept in a specific case. I personally hold the position that no coherent concept of god has ever been presented to me and that the god claim makes no sense. Your attempt to "clarify" for me is a glaring example of the many evasive manaouvres theists use to suggest clarity of an ill defined concept.

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What exactly am I evading or manuvering around so I can directly answer it please pr.

(June 12, 2010 at 5:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

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What is amusing is ...Well just 'What if Atheists are right?'

THIS is one of the most frustrating and embarrassing things that theists have to deal with...it is something that haunts their subconscious even though they will never articulate it....

There is NO GOD!!

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I'm sure I already answered this question, I just can't find it. If atheists are right then there's nothing. That's not a big deal a life spent doing good works is a life well spent. It's not a question that "haunts my subconscious" there's nothing I'm "failing to articulate" nor is it "frustrating or embarassing" in the slightest. If athesits are right nothing at all happens and all the hatred and dissent sown was nothing but a detriment to society. Perhaps if there were more apatheists or ignostics we'd make a lot better progresion then who's right and wrong and intolerance on both sides.

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My point tacky is that there must be something that you are hiding from in your own mind otherwise you would have no need for your religion and forgiveness and all the teeny whopper crap that goes with it....

FFS use spell check!!

tackattack Wrote:If atheists are right then there's nothing.

Just because one is an atheist it doesn't follow that they think there is nothing. Small point but worth making.

(June 12, 2010 at 7:49 am)tackattack Wrote: What exactly am I evading or manuvering around so I can directly answer it please pr.

You are evading a coherent definition of your god by answering my question to define it with things like "God is Love" and intended (mind you, you're the one claiming ambiguity of terms with capitonyms) double meaning.

@PR- By the strictest definition in Christianity as Fr0d0 has given you is, God is. This doesn't denote we can't know anything about God, just that historically in Biblical scripture people were chastised for thinking they knew everything about God and this modern Christian attitude is probably more of a safety position. IMO, If I had to nail down some attributes to God I would say
1-God is a creative entity existing incorporeally
2-God's presence isn't detectable by today's standards within the known universe
3-God is the entity that created matter and guided the creation of the universe and it's laws and axioms.
4-God is a moral compass in both Jesus' teachings about God and in the modern revelations that are observed
5-If there is an afterlife, and a judgement, God would have the best perspective to judge fairly.
6-God's hand allows for a design in chaos that exceed chance and provides sychronicity and shows purpose individually


@KN- There are things I don't publicise to others (web or real life) , that doesn't mean I hide them from myself or use religion to shield me from thinking about those things. We all have skeletons in our closets. I don't need religion and I don't need forgiveness. I think religion has become convoluted and detrimental to God. I want forgiveness becase I've done some bad stuff. Do I want or use either of those more so bad to the point I'm warping my own delusional reality, I don't think so. I can't really be the judge of that though objectively.

@Dar-Very valid point, allow me to rephrase. There is either an after life or there isn't. If those that prescribe that there isn't (mostly atheists) are correct then unless you wasted your life pointing fingers and intolerance it won't really make any difference at all. If the opposing side is right, it's a crap shoot to know what's going to happen so place your bets with whatever belief you see as more logical and cross your fingers.

(June 12, 2010 at 12:08 am)tackattack Wrote: Resentment, by the definition we're using, is a nagging unfulfillment. You were completely satisfied with religion before you left it?
Then you're positively asserting that belief in God (any God) is either self/other coersion and a fixed belief that is either false or derived from deception. I'll bite, cite your proof then because that's not my view of God.

You are implying that if one is completely satisfied or “fulfilled” with religion, one has no “resentment” and can therefore “hear” god. To an atheist, this simply means that you are fully sold on the concept, and that you are locked in the delusion.

ALL belief in ANY god is coerced (your term). Absolutely no one “finds” religion without being introduced to it by someone else, and the vast majority of the time the introduction is made by one’s parents. You were indoctrinated as a child, and told what to believe by people in authority. The fact that you are now “fulfilled” is evidence that you have convinced yourself that what you were taught is real. Since you are sold on the Christian religion, you likely believe that all other religions are either false or derived from deception. There’s your proof.

Your arguement is flawed. Where then did the original idea for religion evolve from. Someone somewhere had to originate the idea from some observance. It's impossible that all belief in any god ever is always coerced, that's an absolutist statement and is inaccurate. Without the Bible I would still have some idea of a designer or creator, and that would be my God. I also in fact do not believe that all other religions are inheritly false or derived from deception. I'm not implying that one is completely satisfied by religion, I for one am never completely fufilled or satisfied. Nor am I saying that I am without resentment 100% of the time, I'm human and that's a near impossibility. Please restate