(September 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Celestine shore sounds like a she.

DramaQueen is male, but uses a female-gendered username...

Whether Celestine is male or female is really beside the point of this whole thread. I'd personally be more interesting to find out whether or not he is actually a theist troll in disguise, or whether he just has stupid arguments for his stance against militant atheism. He claimed to be a male, so until he states otherwise I'll use male pronouns

(September 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm)Godslayer Wrote: 1) Faith is absurdly illogical, thanks for proving my earlier points.

Absolutely right, and yet you somehow hope to attack this illogical logic with evidence and science. Which faith can simply look past.

If you read more of what I was saying, I was saying you need to attack their faith, but to do so in a way as a person might offer a hand to a child that has lost their way. "A noble man gives for a gentle approach what he would deny in a rough one." - quote of Omar from the Omar Series. Not sure if he actually said that though.

Quote:I agree that Atheists should focus more on politics but you still made no compelling argument that Atheists shouldn't debate, discuss and debunk religion with religious people. In fact, many people have been argued out of religion in these types of discourses.

If you read on you would know that I am in full support of questioning religion, I just think it should be done in a much more respectful and mature manner.

(September 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Losty Wrote: I expect to see better insults from the two of you in the future. I particularly enjoy the ones where the OP isn't doesn't even realize she's been insulted. None of this grade school "you're a girl you've got cooties" nonsense.
Please and thank you.

I realize that some are insulting me, I just simply choose to look past it.

(September 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Losty Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 2:35 pm)ShaMan Wrote: I think she's a she too

I expect to see better insults from the two of you in the future.

I have legitimate reasons for my suspicion. I am not making an insult. I have never posted a gender divisive post on any of these boards. I don't think women are stupid or lesser than men. I have extreme respect for women and the roles they play in our world.

(September 17, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Chas Wrote: You disingenuous cunt. You are no more an atheist than Islam is the religion of peace.

And why is that Chas? I am interested to know why you think this... and why you must insult me for the belief I hold on how others should be approached.

you still haven't made a convincing argument that militant atheism does more harm than good or that it even exists...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...ellectuals

(September 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm)Losty Wrote: I expect to see better insults from the two of you in the future.

I have legitimate reasons for my suspicion. I am not making an insult. I have never posted a gender divisive post on any of these boards. I don't think women are stupid or lesser than men. I have extreme respect for women and the roles they play in our world.

Lol I'm only being playful.

Quote:If you read on you would know that I am in full support of questioning religion, I just think it should be done in a much more respectful and mature manner.

This may come off as silly but if I were interested in discussing anything like that I'd start a thread titled: "Effective ways to question religion". My Op would include an example of my way of doing that, as well as an explanation why I think it's a good way.

(September 17, 2014 at 12:04 am)Celestine Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 11:56 pm)Beccs Wrote: I usually offer plenty of respect and only respond with venom when venom is directed at me.

Sometimes fire is used to put out fire.

You must understand that often people are insulted by others that they meet before you, thus when they see you, they will assume that you are like the others that they have spoken to. It is then that they might approach you with some degree of hostility because they have been ill treated by others who call themselves atheists, that is why I said I was ashamed to be labeled with such atheists who so disrespect others. It is on this occasion that you should be the better person and try to put water on the fire.

On another occasion a person may insult or threaten you when they are backed into a corner in a debate. It is then that you should give them room to retreat and ponder on the intellect you offered, the fall of faith is a slow and gradual one that will not happen in a five minute discussion.

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(September 17, 2014 at 12:00 am)Kitanetos Wrote: I am unemotional. It is you who is attributing emotion to me. States quite a bit about you, doesn't it?

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Do not confuse a lack of compassion with a lack of bitterness.

So, someone has been insulted by someone else in the past and that gives them the right to get in MY face before they know me and I'm the one who is supposed to back away?

No!

That's their failing, not mine. If they judge all people by some experience they've had in the past then there's something wrong with them.

And I should forgive them if they can't defend their position when they're backed into a corner and resort to insults? No. Once again, the weakness is theirs and I will respond in kind.

Are we supposed to surrender when faced with militant religion/religiosity?

Screw that. It's been tried and doesn't work. It just makes them bolder.

When militant Muslims rioted in my home town of Sydney, people just watched them. Even the police just contained them to one area and didn't really confront them. If the police had moved in and broken a few heads, or "moderate" Muslims had stood up and counter protested they may have got the message.

Instead they became emboldened and decided to go to Melbourne, where I live and have a home, to continue rioting. I had a sign made and had it sitting in my garage that said, "Your prophet is a pedo, come and get me fuckers"

Unfortunately they cancelled their plans.

You DO NOT bow to militancy. There are only so many cheek you have to turn before the pricks try to kick you in the arse cheeks.

(September 17, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Losty Wrote: Lol I'm only being playful.

You? I believe that

I'm just sensitive to some of the abuse that is heaped needlessly upon others, and I wish to distance myself from that association. Hence my clarification.

(September 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, someone has been insulted by someone else in the past and that gives them the right to get in MY face before they know me and I'm the one who is supposed to back away?

No!

That's their failing, not mine. If they judge all people by some experience they've had in the past then there's something wrong with them.

And I should forgive them if they can't defend their position when they're backed into a corner and resort to insults? No. Once again, the weakness is theirs and I will respond in kind.

Are we supposed to surrender when faced with militant religion/religiosity?

Screw that. It's been tried and doesn't work. It just makes them bolder.

And how many times have you judged an entire group based on your interactions with a few?

Quote:You DO NOT bow to militancy. There are only so many cheek you have to turn before the pricks try to kick you in the arse cheeks.

And you think moderate muslims and christians don't have the same view as this?

The point is that judging a group based on the actions of a few is something that we as humans unfortunately do. It is then in the best interest of those who are mature and wise enough to distinguish the group from the individual, and discover the reason behind why a person might be hostile to us. In this way you and the other person can reflect on their interactions and find that it might not be the best way to approaching each other.

If in a discussion one person makes the mistake of making an insult and you were to insult them back this would more than likely lead to more insults being tossed and the whole discussion would bear no fruit for either person. Yet if you were the one to check them and ask them why they are insulting you, they would at least realize their error.

Such as I asked kitanetos why he/she was insulting me, I learned that my comments which I did not actual think were insulting anyone did have some things that could be viewed as insulting even if I myself did not realize it or for that matter intend it.