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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 7:56 am)Esquilax Wrote: (October 5, 2014 at 10:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes because that is thoroughly just. God can do no other. Objectively, that is his nature. God isn't good... good is God. Just like a court might sentence a criminal to punishment. Difference is... God is sure of his convictions, where a human judge can't be.
Normally I'd spend some time explaining exactly why this statement is amazingly circular
Your complete misrepresentation of what I said is completely circular, yes. Congratulations on winning against yourself. Tell me how my statement differs from "he is because he says he is" and maybe we can have a discussion. You seem to get more ridiculous every day.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:41 pm
(October 5, 2014 at 10:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes because that is thoroughly just. God can do no other. Objectively, that is his nature. God isn't good... good is God. Just like a court might sentence a criminal to punishment. Difference is... God is sure of his convictions, where a human judge can't be. To me, that's the scariest kind of god, by far. It makes god completely unpredictable and unreliable. The thought of spending an eternity with that particular sword of Damocles hanging over everyone's head is chilling.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:46 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2014 at 12:46 pm by fr0d0.)
How so Tonus? Like with the law, you can relax if you know you're not breaking it. I'd be rightly worried if I'd broken the law, sure.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:53 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Tell me how my statement differs from "he is because he says he is" and maybe we can have a discussion. That's precisely the problem in your reasoning. You seem to think these alleged words cancel out his other alleged statements and actions.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:55 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2014 at 12:56 pm by Tonus.)
(October 6, 2014 at 12:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: How so Tonus? Like with the law, you can relax if you know you're not breaking it. I'd be rightly worried if I'd broken the law, sure. But god isn't bound by law, and if any action he takes is good, he can rescind, rewrite, or simply ignore the rule-book. Without a standard of behavior to guide our expectations, there is no action that is beyond him. A human judge who ignores the facts and sentences you to punishment in spite of your innocence has acted wickedly and done wrong. God can ignore your devotion and loyalty and punish you and his action is good.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm
God is so good that the definition has to come from him. One thing you can be sure of.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 12:59 pm
That's quite the presupposition Frodo.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm
Nihilism and atheism aren't on the same axis.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: God is so good that the definition has to come from him. One thing you can be sure of. Lol. Frodo is so full of himself that he dictates the 'true definition' of God, no matter how much he fails at basic argument and logic. That you can be sure of.
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RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 6, 2014 at 1:06 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 12:59 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's quite the presupposition Frodo.
I'm presupposing that an originating singularity has to produce. Seems rock solid to me. Are you arguing that a singularity doesn't necessarily produce? That would be a much weaker argument to my mind
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