(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:52 pm)Losty Wrote: Why do you want to know how it feels? It feels awful, isn't that good enough?

I don't want a row with an angry person... I want to discuss, and understand. So no, it's not good enough.

I'm not committing the crime, I want to form a realistic opinion of a heinous crime...

Maybe I'm confused about something or missing something important. I'm not an angry person. I am curious though, do you honestly think a woman who has been raped is going to explain to you (a stranger) how it feels to be raped on a public thread over the internet? Or am I confused? I get confused sometimes.

(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Losty Wrote: The only thing I can say to point you in the right direction is the about the word "betrayal" and then start forming your thoughts all over again.

Betrayal is not scary though ... you can be betrayed in business or in sport.. that doesn't contribute much at all to rape does it?

(October 18, 2014 at 7:59 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You keep getting told the boundary and then keep on overstepping it lifesagift. That is... you don't seem to be getting it.

I don't accept that, sorry!

Are you saying you refuse to accept people's boundaries on this forum?

(October 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I don't want a row with an angry person... I want to discuss, and understand. So no, it's not good enough.

I'm not committing the crime, I want to form a realistic opinion of a heinous crime...

Maybe I'm confused about something or missing something important. I'm not an angry person. I am curious though, do you honestly think a woman who has been raped is going to explain to you (a stranger) how it feels to be raped on a public thread over the internet? Or am I confused? I get confused sometimes.

I'm asking for opinions in a debate, not testimony from a victim.. you chose what you want to say and I'll respect any answer

The boundary, lag, is where one party refuses consent. You're not asking about the grey area of what might constitute consent, you're asking about scenarios where consent is clearly not given. Hence my criticism.

(October 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Losty Wrote: The only thing I can say to point you in the right direction is the about the word "betrayal" and then start forming your thoughts all over again.

Betrayal is not scary though ... you can be betrayed in business or in sport.. that doesn't contribute much at all to rape does it?

It can be and it does very much.

(October 18, 2014 at 8:02 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:59 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I don't accept that, sorry!

Are you saying you refuse to accept people's boundaries on this forum?

Now you're putting words in my mouth... I don't see why pushing peoples' understanding or thoughts is wrong... I'm asking questions, not stating an outlandish stance !

(October 18, 2014 at 8:04 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm asking questions, not stating an outlandish stance !

Your stance does seem outlandish

(October 18, 2014 at 8:03 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Losty Wrote: Maybe I'm confused about something or missing something important. I'm not an angry person. I am curious though, do you honestly think a woman who has been raped is going to explain to you (a stranger) how it feels to be raped on a public thread over the internet? Or am I confused? I get confused sometimes.

I'm asking for opinions in a debate, not testimony from a victim.. you chose what you want to say and I'll respect any answer

You're asking for opinions on how it feels to be raped and asking for them to be from women only....if you're not requesting an actual answer from someone who has been raped, then how can you say "awful" isn't a good enough answer?

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(October 18, 2014 at 8:04 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 8:02 pm)Losty Wrote: Are you saying you refuse to accept people's boundaries on this forum?

Now you're putting words in my mouth... I don't see why pushing peoples' understanding or thoughts is wrong... I'm asking questions, not stating an outlandish stance !

I apologize. I was only asking is that what you are saying, or if not then will you please explain what you meant.

(October 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(October 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Losty Wrote: The only thing I can say to point you in the right direction is the about the word "betrayal" and then start forming your thoughts all over again.

Betrayal is not scary though ... you can be betrayed in business or in sport.. that doesn't contribute much at all to rape does it?

Of course betrayal is scary. When someone you trust or depend upon suddenly turns the table and becomes an enemy, it's scary.