(July 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: It would have to be something pretty damn convincing,

I honestly cant think of a specific thing that would convince me of gods existence at the moment and had this thought before and drawn a blank.

But even with proof you can be fooled, when I was young when I lost a tooth I gained ten pence, this was my proof for the tooth fairy.

But it was a lie so proof can be false or even falsified you have to be careful.

Be granted immortality, he is omnipotent afterall.

Since the concept of a God entity or omnipotent, all seeing and whatever being cannot exist within this natural universe (but not excluded for the superset that includes our natural universe within it), I cannot hold a rational belief in such a thing.

The inclusion of an entity from outside of our universe would necessitate a fundamental breakdown of natural laws for it to "exist", as some form of projection or whatnot - that would, however, only convince me of that there is a superset outside of our universal set and there is something that acts on it.

No gods need apply.

What would make me a Theist? Well IF there was a god only he knows what it would take and sence he has not demonstrated anything so far then I can only come to the conclusion that 1. Nonexsistance of god or 2. It dont give a shit.....

Either way why should I bother......

lets say its a 50% chance that there is a god thats being nice id say closer to .5% but well go with 50... then you divide that by the #'s of gods and also denominations of religions (they cant all be right) you would end up with a higher chance of picking 6 numbers and the power ball to win the lotto...hell even if you narrowed it down to the Abrihamic god you would still have less than 1 in a thousand shot.. id even be willing to go as far as 1 in 10,000..........

A methodological framework that absolutely depends on the assumption of God that can make extremely accurate predictions about events reality that cannot be achieved by any methodological framework that excludes or does not depend on the assumption of God.

That would be a good one.

(July 6, 2010 at 12:15 am)theVOID Wrote: A methodological framework that absolutely depends on the assumption of God that can make extremely accurate predictions about events reality that cannot be achieved by any methodological framework that excludes or does not depend on the assumption of God.

That would be a good one.

In other words, does the impossible and improbable...

Is god the infinite improbability drive?

If a vast majority of sick people praying to a specific God magically and demonstrably recovered in a short time frame simultaneously and consistently, I would believe.

(July 7, 2010 at 3:23 am)tavarish Wrote: If a vast majority of sick people praying to a specific God magically and demonstrably recovered in a short time frame simultaneously and consistently, I would believe.

That would cause me to believe that collective positive thought might have something to it. A pooling of consciousness stuff or something. It still would not indicate the existence of a supreme immortal being with supernatural powers. There would still need to be a huge goddidit leaf of faith for successful prayers to = god existing.

Hallucinations can happen, this is a well documented fact. So if I saw God I think it is infinitely more likely that I was hallucinating than a supernatural completely unexplained creator of the universe that would have to be more complex than the universe itself actually existing. Especially considering I've had acute psychosis and multiple delusions in the past... and despite the fact I've never had any actual hallucinations, it's not that much of a step up from such acute psychosis.

God is way more ridiculous than hallucination. Even than mass hallucination/illusion. Over 70,000 people once claimed to have seen the sun crash to the earth in Portugal Fatima in the past. Even if this wasn't any sort of optical illusion at all and was one unbelievably gigantic extremely improve mass hallucination - it's still infinitely more probable than God.

EvF

Televised legitimate spontaneous miracles by faith workers, including things that humans couldn't do no matter how technologically advanced we become. (i.e. unassisted flight, moving mountains, parting seas)

Faithful amputees spontaneously regenerating limbs.

Bolts of lightning striking public officials in mid lie.

Christians floating off into the sky. (AKA Rapture)

It's extremely extremely super-gigantically likely that humans wrote the Bible.

But it's still more probable that a super-intelligent super-advanced alien wrote it as a practical joke than God wrote it (/wrote it through humans by "inspiring them spiritually").

EvF