this is the continuation of the thread "one of the proofs that god exist"

2-The big bang theory:

“Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth
Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them
asunder?” (Quran 21:30)

This clearly indicates that the universe(heavens and the earth was) joint entity the word used in Arabic is (retq) which is used to refer to different substances that make up a whole. And then god clove them asunder the word used in Arabic is (fataqa) which means to become separated from each other or to separate something by destroying its structure

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

3-expansion of the universe:

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."(Quran, 51:47)

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_expansion.html

4-the big crunch and the flat universe:

"The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it."(Quran 21:104)

The end according to this verse is that the universe will come back together again as it was in the beginning
In this verse god is giving an example of how the universe will end and it is clear that this verse indicates that the universe look like a sheet of paper

"Recent measurements (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know that the universe is flat with only a 2% margin of error."

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

I know that you are all familiar with this and there was no need to put the links but I just put them so that no one tell me that this was discovered before the Quran was revealed and also check how they discovered this and the tools they used

That's way too vague to imply its remotely anything to do with Big Bang Theory.

EvF

@Mo3

So desperate are you to prove that the Qu'ran predicted much of our scientific knowledge that we have today that your mind goes through the most bizarre twists and turns to 'shoehorn' these vague and relatively meaningless texts into something that you can believe.

The fact that you have to explain the meaning of these texts shows just far away from logic and reason you are.

Part of the Big Bang Theory is that there was no fucking god doing it. Looks like 'allah' missed that one!

Quote:Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

It is clearly talking about only our world. how could you possibly relate this verse with big bang.
and look this verse following by what

Quote:Sahih International
And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And We set in the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with them, and We set in them, [in] the firm mountains, ravines, as roads (subulan substitutes [for fijājan, ‘ravines’, which are wide through-routes]), that perhaps they may be guided, to their destinations during travel.

So mountains are set to prevent earthquakes lol Any geologist here to tell us how mountains formed?

(July 13, 2010 at 4:20 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: this is the continuation of the thread "one of the proofs that god exist"

2-The big bang theory:

“Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth
Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them
asunder?” (Quran 21:30)

This clearly indicates that the universe(heavens and the earth was) joint entity the word used in Arabic is (retq) which is used to refer to different substances that make up a whole. And then god clove them asunder the word used in Arabic is (fataqa) which means to become separated from each other or to separate something by destroying its structure

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

3-expansion of the universe:

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."(Quran, 51:47)

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_expansion.html

4-the big crunch and the flat universe:

"The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it."(Quran 21:104)

The end according to this verse is that the universe will come back together again as it was in the beginning
In this verse god is giving an example of how the universe will end and it is clear that this verse indicates that the universe look like a sheet of paper

"Recent measurements (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know that the universe is flat with only a 2% margin of error."

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

I know that you are all familiar with this and there was no need to put the links but I just put them so that no one tell me that this was discovered before the Quran was revealed and also check how they discovered this and the tools they used

Boy Mo youve convinced me I think I'll be a Muslim now.


Only joking your talking crap again.

Those texts could be made to fit many many concepts, a bit like the nostradamus quatrains vague non-specific rubbish.

(July 13, 2010 at 4:20 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: This clearly indicates that the universe.....

No.

A clear indication is not retrofitting verses from the Koran to fit vaguely with the Big Bang Theory. If it was "clear" we wouldn't have needed science to discover it. We'd be like "Oh shit! The Koran says the world was once a singularity that expanded forward and explains the expanding universe! Who needs this science thing?"

(July 13, 2010 at 12:43 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote:

(July 13, 2010 at 4:20 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: This clearly indicates that the universe.....

No.

A clear indication is not retrofitting verses from the Koran to fit vaguely with the Big Bang Theory. If it was "clear" we wouldn't have needed science to discover it. We'd be like "Oh shit! The Koran says the world was once a singularity that expanded forward and explains the expanding universe! Who needs this science thing?"

Reverse engineering at its finest.

Hey Mo is there any ,scientific revelation, in the Koran that actually led to a discovery?
Rathet than people hearing of some scientific fact and saying that looks a little like this part of the koran if you squint and stand on your head.

This is the same with what people do with Nostradamus, implying meaning onto his prediction after an event takes place that would have made no sense otherwise.

(July 13, 2010 at 1:14 pm)darkwolf176 Wrote: This is the same with what people do with Nostradamus, implying meaning onto his prediction after an event takes place that would have made no sense otherwise.

For the ultimate in this I give you the bible code.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

Some people believe this shit, its scarey