(November 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm)YouCanCallMeDave Wrote:

(November 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm)whateverist Wrote: Gee I didn't know you could actually find out what people believe on Wikipedia. What a concept! I suppose you think that in becoming an atheist I first looked it up on wiki and then decided whether or not to adopt that position. I wonder if I can find out why your beliefs are as naive as they are there.

Seriously, do you really think wikipedia is authoritative for telling you what I as an atheist believe? Is web learning really the best you can do or are you kind of lazy? You're obviously not here to learn anything - either on this site or in life either. You have answers you intend to impose on the world wherever you are. I pity you.

I have to assume you're really just a troll that likes to come in, rattle some chains and then leave in a huff over how you've been treated. Meh.

The purpose of Encyclopedias whether in hardbook form or online are to accurately convey information on the subject matter at hand. So, of course I think both are adequate Resources for telling (at least generally) what an Atheist believes and doesn't believe when it comes to a worldview and origins.

Im not a 'Troll' ; Im a Fisherman looking for a qualified Fish to have a very cordial dialogue with at length . The PreQualifier is as follows :

Hello, and thank you for your consideration of completing the following QUALIFICATION TEST FOR ATHEISTS to determine if you are worthy of receiving the scientific evidences for our personal theistic Creator (God) and objective (non circular) historical evidences for Jesus Christ including his resurrection thereby proving his authenticity as the Son of God .




You may ask why all the hoopla just go get the evidence ? As a lover of Gods Word which says :"" Don't throw pearls before swine " ... meaning don't waste your time giving the truth to people who don't want it really because theyd rather maintain their own apriori-commitment to their religion of Humanism because it offers maximized indulgence in any and all Lifestyles desired . So, unless you as an Atheist truly have the desire for truth backed up by being willing to completely surrender your life to where the truth leads (which precious few atheists are ever willing to do)...then there is no good reason for myself to partake in lessons of futility which I have already learned several times over from the past.




So, if you are still willing to move forward, please answer the following as honestly, truthfully, factually, cogently, and succinctly as you possibly can . Upon review of your answers, I shall advise you the outcome . Thank you.




1. How did you come to want to believe in an atheistic worldview / origins which traditionally has Materialism and Naturalism being responsible for such NON-material entities such as freewill, personality, reason, logic, discernment , abstract thinking, et al... when it is absurd to have such non material realities coming from atoms ?




2. When you closely and diligently examine the Human Anatomy , what is it about that which looks like the product of mindless, random, chaotic , accidents upon compilations of accidents void of any intelligent design and input ?




3. If you believe the Universe or the Human Anatomy could be created better (since you believe its just the random product of atoms and forces without any intelligent design)....how would YOU make it better than what it is ? And do you believe you could make it better without applying any personal interjection of any kind since the present Universe 'wasn't personally brought about' according to you ?




4. Do you believe it is possible to determine when something requires a personal Designer/Creator for something down here on earth even if you never see or meet such a Designer / Creator ? What criteria would you require for admitting something took a Mind behind the construction of something --- how does something that is intelligently designed look to you when you see it ? What are some of its attributes ?




5. Why don't you think Intelligent Design should be taught in public schools across the nation (world) since there are tons of examples of intelligent designed things here on earth which aren't religious oriented or motivated ? Science is based on natural AND intelligent causes and the discovery thereof, so, why not bring both to the classroom and let the Student decide which cause is more likely for the Universe and other related things ?




6. Do you believe you have a dark side to your personality/character which is universally called Sin ? Do you feel disgusted with the self serving agendas that may have become part of your ongoing life which might include the using of others for your temporary gain or enjoyment or doing things which you know are wrong yet you do them anyways ? Do you see something within yourself that is highly narcissistic and could you point to something in your life which would be rightly called lowlife living (immoral, unethical behavior , etc...) with an accompanying attitude of not caring in the least ? If so, what do u attribute this chosen lifestyle - attitude toward , and, how do you justify doing it ?




7. Are you 'an Atheist' because you don't see any evidence in the least for a personal theistic Creator, or, are you an 'Atheist' because you desire to be your own 'god' calling your own shots in life..... as my 71 year old 'Atheist' friend, Helen, admitted to me (verbatim) lately after 20 minutes of dialogue about God at a local Starbucks ?




8. If you were convinced beyond any doubt that a personal theistic Creator is absolutely necessary for the personal, intelligent-based, information-laden entities left over from the Universe coming into existence .... WHAT would that mean to you / HOW if any would it change your life knowing God would own you and you would be morally responsible to him at a future date --- would it cause you to move closer to him in personal relationship / and if it would make no difference..........WHY would this be your final action ?




9. What bad experience have you had in a Christian Church or in Christian circles ? How has this experienced influenced your desire to be 'an Atheist' ?




10 . Which Sources have you diligently investigated on the subject of modern scientific evidences for a personal theistic Creator (God) , that has led you to believe 'there just isn't any evidence' ? Please list 3 or 4 Sources which were part of your sincere investigation .




Thanks much for your time . Ill get back with you soon . Dave