(November 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Heywood Wrote: We should just repeal Obamacare and then the problem goes away.

...and replace it with...?

Replace it with some actual health care. Like build hospitals and clinics. Build schools of medicine and pay people to attend them. I propose we replace Obama's big gift to health insurance fat cats with some actual fucking health care.

(November 28, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: ...and replace it with...?

Replace it with some actual health care. Like build hospitals and clinics. Build schools of medicine and pay people to attend them. I propose we replace Obama's big gift to health insurance fat cats with some actual fucking health care.

I love your fake morality, it is so transparent. You pretend to be against corporate abuse but in reality you defend it.

(November 28, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: Replace it with some actual health care. Like build hospitals and clinics. Build schools of medicine and pay people to attend them. I propose we replace Obama's big gift to health insurance fat cats with some actual fucking health care.

OK, so you want a big government takeover of medical schools? Fat chance that will fly with the GOP but let that go.

Great, that might make a difference 10 years from now.

Maybe.

What do you do with all the people dying for want of coverage now? Or do you just say, "fuck em, that's what they get for being poor"?

My simple proposal would be to have Medicare for everyone and just jettison the whole Byzantine and unnecessary health insurance scheme completely.

(November 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: Replace it with some actual health care. Like build hospitals and clinics. Build schools of medicine and pay people to attend them. I propose we replace Obama's big gift to health insurance fat cats with some actual fucking health care.

OK, so you want a big government takeover of medical schools? Fat chance that will fly with the GOP but let that go.

Great, that might make a difference 10 years from now.

Maybe.

What do you do with all the people dying for want of coverage now? Or do you just say, "fuck em, that's what they get for being poor"?

My simple proposal would be to have Medicare for everyone and just jettison the whole Byzantine and unnecessary health insurance scheme completely.

Sounds nice, but Haywood's stupid fear is that we will have to become Cuba or China to get that.

Um actually though in the more sane secular west open market societies it isn't all publicly funded either. What those states do which we do not, which is just as important, is that they have a lower pay gap between the top and bottom, and livable wages so that while they can depend on the state they also have better means even with the lowest paid. And that makes all the difference.

Woodie's 'fear' is that poor people will get treated instead of dying in the streets.

Fuck him.

(November 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: OK, so you want a big government takeover of medical schools? Fat chance that will fly with the GOP but let that go.

Great, that might make a difference 10 years from now.

Maybe.

What do you do with all the people dying for want of coverage now? Or do you just say, "fuck em, that's what they get for being poor"?

My simple proposal would be to have Medicare for everyone and just jettison the whole Byzantine and unnecessary health insurance scheme completely.

I know it won't fly with the GOP but I'm an independent.

Some problems take 10 years to fix and this is one of them. Now it will take even longer thanks to Obama and the democrats. You told millions of people who need health care that they can take this insurance(which is not healthcare) and fuck off. Now you guys can party on with the insurance company fat cats you made rich.

(November 28, 2014 at 8:46 pm)Heywood Wrote: I'm an independent.

Save it. You're not fooling anyone here.

Quote:Some problems take 10 years to fix and this is one of them.

So long-winded answer made short, your answer is "yes, fuck the poor".

(November 28, 2014 at 8:46 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: OK, so you want a big government takeover of medical schools? Fat chance that will fly with the GOP but let that go.

Great, that might make a difference 10 years from now.

Maybe.

What do you do with all the people dying for want of coverage now? Or do you just say, "fuck em, that's what they get for being poor"?

My simple proposal would be to have Medicare for everyone and just jettison the whole Byzantine and unnecessary health insurance scheme completely.

I know it won't fly with the GOP but I'm an independent.

Some problems take 10 years to fix and this is one of them. Now it will take even longer thanks to Obama and the democrats. You told millions of people who need health care that they can take this insurance(which is not healthcare) and fuck off. Now you guys can party on with the insurance company fat cats you made rich.

Which is it Haywood? Now you are saying "fuck the rich"? I don't believe you. I think you simply waffle because you know morally you are wrong and cant wiggle out of your position, so you adapt the arguments of the other side.

Ok, now it is "fuck the rich". Makes no sense to me if you defend Walmart or the Koch brothers at the same time as saying "fuck the rich".

The anger you are feeling in reading this is not because I am wrong. The term for that is " cognitive dissonance". You are not used to your pattern being upset with challenge.

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And again you think any challenge to wealth is saying "fuck the rich" on our part. Liberals can and do make the distinction between constructive wealth and destructive extraction wealth. The only reason we went down this route is because of the GOP and unlike Tea Party nuts we live with civil disagreement and do not throw tantrums when we don't get everything we want.

Now you are saying the private sector doesn't work? Is that what you mean by "you made those fat cats rich". No we didn't we simply slowed down the bleeding, the GOP watered down that bill to the point we could not do more and believe me we wanted to do more.

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(November 28, 2014 at 9:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 8:46 pm)Heywood Wrote: I'm an independent.

Save it. You're not fooling anyone here.

Quote:Some problems take 10 years to fix and this is one of them.

So long-winded answer made short, your answer is "yes, fuck the poor".

Actually he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He blames Democrats for making the Insurance company "fat cats" rich.

He is trying to have it both ways. Just like a Christian does with "freedom of religion" but cries like a baby when others simply want equal rights. He calls them special rights. He still has a separate standard for the poor than he does for the side he defends. He is the one advocating "special rights", not liberals.

It amounts to the same crap "It is right when I get what I want and tyranny when I don't get everything I want".

(November 28, 2014 at 9:05 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 28, 2014 at 8:46 pm)Heywood Wrote: I'm an independent.

Save it. You're not fooling anyone here.

Quote:Some problems take 10 years to fix and this is one of them.

So long-winded answer made short, your answer is "yes, fuck the poor".

No...my answer is provide the poor with some actual fucking health care. Your and Obama's answer is have the government pay for their health care if they don't die first waiting to get it.

People's suffering from health problems should not be ran by profiteers. Profits do not cut the cost of healthcare; it cuts the services provided.

HMOs are evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qpLVTbVHnU