Void -

It would be better if you familiarised yourself with his works.

(July 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm)Godhead Wrote: I don't consider him crazy. I think he's extremely clued up about a host of things.

... eh. Look, even if his crazy isn't to batshit levels, like Gene Ray, he's still a crazy conspiracy theorist who imagines enormous and unwieldy forces behind the world and thinks he's the son of god.

That's not 'clued up' in any sense of the term. The news links he forwards can be gotten from any other number of reputable sources. Mine is this one.

Darkness of angels -

It's commonly thought that he said that he's the son of god. That's not true. If you watch the interview you'll see that when asked, he began a sentence by saying "Yes, well, you see..." and the the audience started laughing. If he intended to say "Yes" and mean it literally, he would have done so and he would have elaborated. During the interview he didn't say anything else about it, and Terry Wogan understood that he didn't mean yes literally and that he was using the word yes in another context, and Terry Wogan has acknowledged this. The fact that he's never mentioned it in any of his books, lectures, or subsequent interviews (or any interview) shows that he doesn't make such a claim.

(July 19, 2010 at 9:42 pm)Godhead Wrote: Void -

It would be better if you familiarised yourself with his works.

If I didn't honestly think you just can't come up with a reply to any of his questions off the top of your head, I would be thinking that you are pimping David Icke. Your last four or so posts have been along the lines of, "I'm not going to answer you. You should read his work." and "If you read his work, you would understand what I am saying" and "Familiarize yourself with the insane man." All this after Void already told you he was familiar with the crazy man.

The fact is, nobody is going to understand what you are saying until you A. say something that makes sense or B. explain your position better. I'm going to assume that option A is the only way to go because B may not work, even if you did bother to explain yourself properly.

Shell B -

The best way to understand what I'm saying is to familiarise oneself with the subject. If you don't, then you can't say anything about it. It's best if you check it out for yourself.

No, it is best if I avoid ever clicking that link again. I don't need to read any more of that rubbish. It's utter bullshit. Furthermore, I can say all that I want about it. One article excerpt was enough for me to see that word vomit for what it was. You can't really believe that reading more of it would cause me to take it more seriously.

Again, Void has told you that he is familiar with Icke's utter bullshit, but doesn't understand your position. Yet, you continue to repeat that he needs to familiarize himself with it.

(July 19, 2010 at 9:58 pm)Godhead Wrote: It's commonly thought that he said that he's the son of god. That's not true. If you watch the interview you'll see that when asked, he began a sentence by saying "Yes, well, you see..." and the the audience started laughing. If he intended to say "Yes" and mean it literally, he would have done so and he would have elaborated. During the interview he didn't say anything else about it, and Terry Wogan understood that he didn't mean yes literally and that he was using the word yes in another context, and Terry Wogan has acknowledged this. The fact that he's never mentioned it in any of his books, lectures, or subsequent interviews (or any interview) shows that he doesn't make such a claim.

That's not really the point or even the only thing that seporates him from crazy. It's virtually everything of public note he's ever done. He's a conspiracy theorist of the worst variety.

Let me cite an example from the wikipedia entry concerning him:

David Icke - Wikipedia Wrote:Global Elite

Further information: New World Order (conspiracy theory) and Illuminati

Icke's basic argument is that humanity was created, and is controlled, by a network of secret societies run by a race of interbreeding bloodlines originating in the Middle and Near East in the ancient world. Icke calls them the "Babylonian Brotherhood." The Illuminati, Round Table, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the IMF, United Nations, the media, military, science, religion, and the Internet are all Brotherhood created and controlled.[38]

The Brotherhood is mostly male. Their children are raised from an early age to understand the mission; those who don't are pushed aside. Key Brotherhood bloodlines are the British House of Windsor, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, European royalty and aristocracy, and the Eastern establishment families of the United States. The origin of the bloodlines is extra-terrestrial. At the apex of the Brotherhood stands the "Global Elite," the same group identified throughout history as the "Illuminati"; at the top of the Global Elite stand the "Prison Wardens." The goal of the Brotherhood—their "Great Work of Ages," or the "Brotherhood Agenda"—is world domination and a micro-chipped population.[39]

Icke introduced the idea in The Robot's Rebellion that the Global Elite's plan for world domination was first laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Ronson puts it, widely drawn on by the far right and neo-Nazi groups.[40] Mark Honigsbaum writes that Icke refers to it 25 times in the book, calling it the "Illuminati protocols," and it is the first of a number of examples of Icke moving dangerously close to antisemitism, according to Michael Barkun—see below for a discussion of the antisemitism controversy.[41]

Seriously. This is not a rational person. This is not a person who employs logic or rational thinking. If he did, he would have devoted his life to doing something productive with his time. (Aside, of course, from making money off of other people's stupidity - such as from book sales and speaking fees.)

Even if, like a broken clock, he's still right two times per day, I can still guarentee that a working clock is still a better way to tell the time.

(July 19, 2010 at 9:42 pm)Godhead Wrote: Void -

It would be better if you familiarised yourself with his works.

theVOID said he had done this. Pay attention. He said he couldn't find a single example of the man supporting what he says with evidence, and he was asking you to give an example, since you claim he does.

Now either answer his query or admit that you can't think of any examples with Icke has actually said anything that has any relevance to reality.

Either way, stop responding to everyone by saying things like "If you read his work you'll understand", or "Many would disagree". Both are fallacies; the first because despite the fact we have read his work, we don't understand, and the second because just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't make it true. Look up "argumentum ad populum" for more details.

(July 19, 2010 at 10:04 pm)Godhead Wrote: The best way to understand what I'm saying is to familiarise oneself with the subject. If you don't, then you can't say anything about it. It's best if you check it out for yourself.

Why would anyone want to do that, when we have no reason to believe that his books will be anything more than the articulate equivalent of a dribbling lunatic on the streets with tin foil on his head, shouting, 'They're coming to get us! They're everywhere! Watching, watching, always watching!', judging by his website?

Omnissiunt one -

I never understood the whole tin foil hat thing. How did that come about?