(December 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Greeks and Romans considered the jews to be barbarian fucks.

In fairness, the Greeks and Romans considered everyone else to be barbarian fucks. The Jews had the distinction of being damned peculiar and exasperating barbarian fucks.

(December 28, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Bingo. And speaking of the Greeks and Romans, a comparison of what they understood by "virtue" as something denoting aspiration and excellence with the debased and morally bankrupt Christian idea of grace and vicarious atonement is all one really needs to know about how low the ancient world sank once these spiritual dwarfs gained power.

Actually it has been a cocktails of reasons that led to the downfall of civilization. The Western part of the Roman empire was overrun by uneducated savages. Combine that with the mental savagery of christianity and you have perfect recipe for stupidness.

It shows best when you look at the city of Rome. It had one million inhabitants at it's height, but around the year 1000 only about 20.000 were left. The reason for this fundamental downfall, these stupid fucks weren't even able or willing to maintain the aqueducts. Add to this the church claiming to have the monopoly on education and you get a world of ignorance, since they didn't educate the people at all and hardly anyone could even write their own name until the dawn of the Rennaissance. Medicine didn't evolve beyond Galen all through the Middle Ages since the church forbid autopsies and anatomic studies.

(December 28, 2014 at 6:22 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 28, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Bingo. And speaking of the Greeks and Romans, a comparison of what they understood by "virtue" as something denoting aspiration and excellence with the debased and morally bankrupt Christian idea of grace and vicarious atonement is all one really needs to know about how low the ancient world sank once these spiritual dwarfs gained power.

Actually it has been a cocktails of reasons that led to the downfall of civilization. The Western part of the Roman empire was overrun by uneducated savages. Combine that with the mental savagery of christianity and you have perfect recipe for stupidness.

It shows best when you look at the city of Rome. It had one million inhabitants at it's height, but around the year 1000 only about 20.000 were left. The reason for this fundamental downfall, these stupid fucks weren't even able or willing to maintain the aqueducts. Add to this the church claiming to have the monopoly on education and you get a world of ignorance, since they didn't educate the people at all and hardly anyone could even write their own name until the dawn of the Rennaissance. Medicine didn't evolve beyond Galen all through the Middle Ages since the church forbid autopsies and anatomic studies.

Of course, you are correct. To clarify, I wasn't addressing the material conditions of the Empire's downfall but the debasement of its intellectual and -- if you will -- spiritual traditions. The church becoming the sieve through which information flowed (when it wasn't being suppressed outright) wasn't the happiest development in Western history.

(December 28, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 12:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you not understand that if God's promise wasn't recorded, the blotting out of the Amalekites would have never been known. The promise is important part of the story, the Amalekites are no longer around to make or be involved in history, they are gone forever. Any sensible person could understand that's what was meant by recording the event in the Bible.

GC

"I promise to wipe them from history, and then I'll record them in history, so that people will know I promised to wipe them from history and remember them, even though I, almighty god, set out to destroy them from history."

Any sensible person wouldn't believe any fucking recorded event in the bible.

Square that circle harder, GC. Pick them cherries, too. Six months later and some shit, it seems, hasn't changed.

How is it that people who claim to be so smart act like stupidity is their norm?

GC

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(December 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Greeks and Romans considered the jews to be barbarian fucks.

Could be that they had to nearly destroy them to bring them under their control, the one peoples that gave them the most problems.

GC

(December 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The Greeks and Romans considered the jews to be barbarian fucks.

Could be that they had to nearly destroy them to bring them under their control, the one peoples that gave them the most problems.

GC

Could it be that you've never checked out the etymology of 'barbarian'?

(December 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Could be that they had to nearly destroy them to bring them under their control, the one peoples that gave them the most problems.

GC

Could it be that you never actually checked Roman history? I wouldn't consider an utter defeat of an insurgency a most problem case. For the Romans, I guess, the insurrection of Arminius in 9 AD was the bigger problem, since it cost them three legions with nothing to show for.

Quote:Could be that they had to nearly destroy them to bring them under their control, the one peoples that gave them the most problems.

GC

Put down your fucking bible and learn some history. The Parthians gave the Romans the most trouble.

The jews got their asses kicked over and over.

(December 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 28, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: "I promise to wipe them from history, and then I'll record them in history, so that people will know I promised to wipe them from history and remember them, even though I, almighty god, set out to destroy them from history."

Any sensible person wouldn't believe any fucking recorded event in the bible.

Square that circle harder, GC. Pick them cherries, too. Six months later and some shit, it seems, hasn't changed.

How is it that people who claim to be so smart act like stupidity is their norm?

GC

Your lame insult isn't much of a rebuttal....

(December 28, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Put down your fucking bible and learn some history. The Parthians gave the Romans the most trouble.

Huh? Maybe today... but Carthage was ancient Romes greatest all time enemy. "100 year war"?

That's grade school stuff mini!

btw... sorry I'm late! Merry Christmas!

(December 28, 2014 at 8:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 28, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: "I promise to wipe them from history, and then I'll record them in history, so that people will know I promised to wipe them from history and remember them, even though I, almighty god, set out to destroy them from history."

Any sensible person wouldn't believe any fucking recorded event in the bible.

Square that circle harder, GC. Pick them cherries, too. Six months later and some shit, it seems, hasn't changed.

How is it that people who claim to be so smart act like stupidity is their norm?

GC

"Oh yeah, well you're dumb!"