(December 30, 2014 at 6:20 am)Tonus Wrote:

(December 29, 2014 at 9:36 pm)ronedee Wrote: Why? You just have no understanding:

That would be more convincing if it was the same explanation from every Christian every time. But it's not. Not only are there different explanations of what the trinity is (and we've seen another one or two recently, which differed from yours) but some people claim that it cannot be understood. Yet each person who makes those claims insists that he or she has a solid grounding in Biblical understanding that we atheists seem to lack. It really doesn't help when the people who "truly understand" the Bible can't seem to agree on something as "simple" as the trinity.

I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not sure anyone does. But I'm willing to share with you what I know or think I know.

(December 29, 2014 at 11:51 pm)strawdawg Wrote:

(December 29, 2014 at 11:19 pm)dyresand Wrote: ill just say it then bluntly god of the bible does not exist.

After Lamech killed Cain his 2 wives left him becuase of it. Lamech said Cain and a young man wounded him and he killed them not knowing who they were. Later Adam talked lamech's wives into returning home to Lamech.

Say whaaaaat? And that proves what?

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 1:22 am)Alex K Wrote: Haha, that's a good one, pi=3 in God's sophisticated mathematics. OMG, all numbers in the bible are base pi/3, history has to be rewritten!

I'm beginning to see how you manage to live your life without a shred of self-doubt (I assume that"s what you mean by no skepticism)

I didn't say God thought pi=3, now did I? So whatever it was you were trying to say is not relevant anyhow.

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 6:14 am)strawdawg Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.

GC

G.C. if you care to read any of the books I mentioned, about all of them are available online. They are interesting and can give you some insight on the subject.

They were eliminated from the Bible by men much more intelligent than I am, guided by the Holy Spirit, I have no reason to read books they eliminated.

GC

So what was your point then, that there is stuff in the bible that was not divinely inspired?

Quote:I didn't say God thought pi=3, now

I didn't either, I mused that God is using a system where the correct value is represented by 3.

(December 30, 2014 at 1:22 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I have no chains imprisoning my mind, heart, spirit or body, God said,"you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.'' I have no skepticism about my life and how I've chosen to live it. Bats are winged animals just as birds, being the Creator he can categorize them the way He sees fit. You are trying to apply man's decisions on God, it doesn't work that way. Same goes for whales, and as far as pi goes I doubt God even would use a mathematical system as primitive as ours.

GC

You know what fine...
But would you be happy or not if i denied my atheism and believed the bible to be 100% true and factual?

That's something that would be between you and God, if you do decide to accept Christ as your savior, then yes, it would make me happy.

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 7:36 am)Alex K Wrote: So what was your point then, that there is stuff in the bible that was not divinely inspired?

Quote:I didn't say God thought pi=3, now

I didn't either, I mused that God is using a system where the correct value is represented by 3.

Pi is an imperfect number, why would God use it.

GC

(December 29, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: More than that is apparent.

I've learnt enough about your poisonous faith to want nothing more to do with it. But if you do have something good about it to share, I'm all ears -- and questions.

Funny how you're commanded to be Christlike, but you cannot manage that online. Do you think your omnipresent god could not see your behavior here, assuming his existence for the sake of this point? Even the apostle Paul thinks you should quit being a cunt.

(December 30, 2014 at 7:41 am)Godschild Wrote: Pi is an imperfect number, why would God use it.
GC

This is very interesting: can you explain what an imperfect number is, mathematically speaking?

Why would God use it? I mean, it is the ratio of diameter and circumference of a circle, isn't it... even for God.

(December 30, 2014 at 7:41 am)Godschild Wrote: Pi is an imperfect number, why would God use it.

GC

Wrong. It describes the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter perfectly.

Yet, your allegedly all-knowing god has written into his divinely-inspired book that this circle was built giving pi a value of three. Ignorance of fine measurements and decimal math is exactly what we'd expect from a bunch of ignorant goatherders -- not an omniscient god.

When you consider all the scientific illiteracy in the Bible, it follows that the Bible is the "Word" of the goatherder and not the deity.

(December 30, 2014 at 8:53 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 7:41 am)Godschild Wrote: Pi is an imperfect number, why would God use it.

GC

Wrong. It describes the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter perfectly.

Yet, your allegedly all-knowing god has written into his divinely-inspired book that this circle was built giving pi a value of three. Ignorance of fine measurements and decimal math is exactly what we'd expect from a bunch of ignorant goatherders -- not an omniscient god.

When you consider all the scientific illiteracy in the Bible, it follows that the Bible is the "Word" of the goatherder and not the deity.

Well said sir.

(The wife and I got married on "pi day" 3/14/14 and our first anniversary will be 3/14/15)

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(December 30, 2014 at 7:25 am)Godschild Wrote:

(December 29, 2014 at 11:51 pm)strawdawg Wrote: After Lamech killed Cain his 2 wives left him becuase of it. Lamech said Cain and a young man wounded him and he killed them not knowing who they were. Later Adam talked lamech's wives into returning home to Lamech.

Say whaaaaat? And that proves what?

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 1:22 am)Alex K Wrote: Haha, that's a good one, pi=3 in God's sophisticated mathematics. OMG, all numbers in the bible are base pi/3, history has to be rewritten!

I'm beginning to see how you manage to live your life without a shred of self-doubt (I assume that"s what you mean by no skepticism)

I didn't say God thought pi=3, now did I? So whatever it was you were trying to say is not relevant anyhow.

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 6:14 am)strawdawg Wrote: G.C. if you care to read any of the books I mentioned, about all of them are available online. They are interesting and can give you some insight on the subject.

They were eliminated from the Bible by men much more intelligent than I am, guided by the Holy Spirit, I have no reason to read books they eliminated.

GC

(December 30, 2014 at 6:46 am)strawdawg Wrote: I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not sure anyone does. But I'm willing to share with you what I know or think I know.

That's one of those things that did not occur to me while I was a believer. Why shouldn't we have all of the answers, if we have a book inspired by the greatest intellect in the entire cosmos? More than that, why do the people who read the same book come away with so many different (and in some cases conflicting) interpretations? Why would god's guidebook for humanity need interpretation at all?

One of the answers to this is that it was only inspired by god, but written by fallible men. But wouldn't it be the mark of the greatest being in all existence that his inspiration could overcome the fallibility of men? And why would he rely on men if he could see that they were having trouble making his message clear? He wrote the ten commandments onto stone tablets that he chiseled out of the side of a mountain, but making words appear on parchment was too much effort?

(December 30, 2014 at 7:41 am)Godschild Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 7:36 am)Alex K Wrote: So what was your point then, that there is stuff in the bible that was not divinely inspired?

I didn't either, I mused that God is using a system where the correct value is represented by 3.

Pi is an imperfect number, why would God use it.

GC

What does that even mean? How is pi "imperfect"?