(December 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Bible isn't meant as a book of science, it in no way teaches science, it is however a book explaining what go has done by His choices.

Clearly it is not a reliable source of information, that's obvious.

(December 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: God did not say that pi=3, nor did the man who penned the verse. Have you ever seen the molten sea?

No. Have you? That's right: no. The upshot of the math presented in the verse is that pi=3. If you lack the percipience to deduce that, that's not my problem, nor my misunderstanding.

(December 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you know what a cubit is and the possibilities of error it presents in a common number.

Yes. However, all figures in that verse are given in cubits, so this isn't a conversion inaccuracy. And you would have to presume that somewhere in the construction of that circle, they changed the size of the cubit, without mentioning it, in order for those numbers to fit.

That's an awful lot of gymnastics to avoid admitting error.

(December 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Many mathematical experts say it was common practice in ancient times to round up or down numbers. We actually do that most often today unless we need to give a very specific answer and thus pi= 3.1416 rounded down is 3.

Try making an O-ring with pi=3, and see how fast your engine seizes up once the oil has leaked out.

No one nowadays rounds pi down to three when they're building a circular construction. If you have examples of this happening, please post them; otherwise I'll file this in the More Horseshit from GodsBile file.

(December 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Lets see what 30 divided by pi is 9.549, rounded up is what, 10.

GC

Nice to see you remembered your fifth-grade math.

This is all just a fancy way of saying "The Bible got it wrong, but I'm going to believe anyway."

I've got more shots in the locker on the topic of factual errors in the Bible ... the book is riddled with them. God is clearly not omniscient, based upon what you yourself consider his divinely-inspired word.

How could a perfect god get so much stuff so fucking wrong?

(December 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: It has no ending, so no complete answer can be drawn from it. As many atheist have said here, a circle is not perfectly round and a number used in calculations for an imperfect object must in itself be imperfect. I understand pi is the best thing man has for circles and arcs and ect., I use it in my woodworking, it does get things close but not perfect.

GC

God is complex there for god needs a creator there for god didn't always exist. God needs a creator he is not alpha and omega also god is a lair.
He can get away with it like lying to adam and eve. So god wasn't always there and always existed and the bible has loose ends to say there was other gods even god said don't worship other gods. So he is admitting to say that other gods besides him exist and he isn't the only god. So god is a lair, murderer, psychopath, that wants you to love him and i wonder why a lot of killers and murderers and rapist and any criminal in jail find god so easily

To repeat a quote from Cheers, what color is the sky in your world?

GC

Quote:To repeat a quote from Cheers, what color is the sky in your world?

Blue, due to Rayleigh scattering, a phenomenon which is unremarkable for not requiring God for it to take effect.

Boru

(December 30, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Alex K Wrote: Jesus GC, you of all people should appreciate the fact that pi is the exact ratio for an idealized perfect circle which can be mathematically defined precisely, but never realized in nature. That's as transcendent as human thought gets.

Please explain how it can be exact when the number has no end.

GC

(December 30, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Alex K Wrote: Jesus GC, you of all people should appreciate the fact that pi is the exact ratio for an idealized perfect circle which can be mathematically defined precisely, but never realized in nature. That's as transcendent as human thought gets.

Please explain how it can be exact when the number has no end.

GC

It is an exact ratio (C/d), which is not the same thing as a finite number. Do try to pay closer attention.

Boru

(December 30, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm)dyresand Wrote: God is complex there for god needs a creator there for god didn't always exist. God needs a creator he is not alpha and omega also god is a lair.
He can get away with it like lying to adam and eve. So god wasn't always there and always existed and the bible has loose ends to say there was other gods even god said don't worship other gods. So he is admitting to say that other gods besides him exist and he isn't the only god. So god is a lair, murderer, psychopath, that wants you to love him and i wonder why a lot of killers and murderers and rapist and any criminal in jail find god so easily

To repeat a quote from Cheers, what color is the sky in your world?

GC

blue now you can't explain why your god exists. so your pretty defeated accept your defeat because that come back was terrible.

(December 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm)dyresand Wrote: God is complex there for god needs a creator there for god didn't always exist. God needs a creator he is not alpha and omega also god is a lair.
He can get away with it like lying to adam and eve. So god wasn't always there and always existed and the bible has loose ends to say there was other gods even god said don't worship other gods. So he is admitting to say that other gods besides him exist and he isn't the only god. So god is a lair, murderer, psychopath, that wants you to love him and i wonder why a lot of killers and murderers and rapist and any criminal in jail find god so easily

THIS!!

Please tell me you're not that dumb, I thought you to be more intelligent.

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 6:24 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: To repeat a quote from Cheers, what color is the sky in your world?

GC

blue now you can't explain why your god exists. so your pretty defeated accept your defeat because that come back was terrible.

God exists because He desires to exist, explained. It wasn't a come back I was curious about your mental state.
and your scientific knowledge.

GC

Quote:God exists because He desires to exist, explained. It wasn't a come back I was curious about your mental state.

But desire presupposes existence. If God desired to exist, then he would have to have existed for that desire to take place. Before you go all twitchy and think that this means God has always existed, calm yourself. What it means is that you just posited God as existing before he existed.

' "Oh, dear," says God. "I hadn't though of that" and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.' - Douglas Adams

Boru

(December 30, 2014 at 6:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: God exists because He desires to exist, explained. It wasn't a come back I was curious about your mental state.
and your scientific knowledge.

GC

So he could just poof out of existence if he so desired.

And you talking about science is a bit rich.

(December 30, 2014 at 6:25 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: THIS!!

Please tell me you're not that dumb, I thought you to be more intelligent.

GC

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(December 30, 2014 at 6:24 pm)dyresand Wrote: blue now you can't explain why your god exists. so your pretty defeated accept your defeat because that come back was terrible.

God exists because He desires to exist, explained. It wasn't a come back I was curious about your mental state.
and your scientific knowledge.

GC

Still doesn't beg to answer why does god exist. He is a complex being he just desired himself into existence?! how could you or me or even god without any consciousness because he didn't exist just desired himself to live. so what does he or does he not have a creator. that is the only question that i am asking. gods consciousness would be the issue he would need to be conscious to desire himself to exist. You just backed yourself into a corner GC.

Also don't attack my intelligence i am asking a simple question wondering how could something always exist that is complex without a creator. All i am doing is taking it some step further and saying how does a complex being like god exist. If you don't know its okay just say you don't know.