(February 18, 2015 at 9:13 pm)IATIA Wrote: Romans 8 does not address Luke 21:29-32.

But it does, it's saying all who God foreknew he predestined. Isn't Jesus God?

Quote:John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Quote:John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So if Jesus has foreknowledge, is it so hard to believe he is speaking of future generations?

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(February 19, 2015 at 6:17 am)Cato Wrote: What a load of shit. All this foreknowledge mysteriously didn't result in the need to teach himself to write shit down for posterity's sake. This makes your argument that anyone has ever read God's word preposterous. Assuming Jesus was real, nobody that actually heard his words wrote shit down either making the heard part complete bullshit too. What again was this bit about foreknowledge?

First, one quick question.
Which part of the Bible do you NOT think of as bs?

(February 16, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 8:19 am)Hoopington Wrote: Chapter and verse please. Not some vague bollocks about salvation being important, I want the verse and chapter that tells the reader that salvation comes before everything, including God.

That's not what I was saying salvation is the beginning of the Christians life, nothing else can proceed the starting point.

GC

So, you made it up then? Is that an interpretation? I've read what you have to say about people misrepresenting the Bible GC.

I'd have thought salvation comes after a few other steps in all fairness. It strikes me as a bit backward, surely some kind of relationship with God has to exist before salvation is possible?

Tell me you're not just making this shit up GC?

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(February 19, 2015 at 11:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 18, 2015 at 9:13 pm)IATIA Wrote: Romans 8 does not address Luke 21:29-32.

But it does, it's saying all who God foreknew he predestined. Isn't Jesus God?

Quote:John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Quote:John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So if Jesus has foreknowledge, is it so hard to believe he is speaking of future generations?

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(February 19, 2015 at 6:17 am)Cato Wrote: What a load of shit. All this foreknowledge mysteriously didn't result in the need to teach himself to write shit down for posterity's sake. This makes your argument that anyone has ever read God's word preposterous. Assuming Jesus was real, nobody that actually heard his words wrote shit down either making the heard part complete bullshit too. What again was this bit about foreknowledge?

First, one quick question.
Which part of the Bible do you NOT think of as bs?

Seriously, allow me to flip that.

Is there any of it you honestly think to be true?

really?

(February 19, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Hoopington Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's not what I was saying salvation is the beginning of the Christians life, nothing else can proceed the starting point.

GC

So, you made it up then? Is that an interpretation? I've read what you have to say about people misrepresenting the Bible GC.

I'd have thought salvation comes after a few other steps in all fairness. It strikes me as a bit backward, surely some kind of relationship with God has to exist before salvation is possible?

Tell me you're not just making this shit up GC?

Salvation comes when one accepts Christ for who He is. A relationship with God can't begin before this happens, by God's grace we are saved. Grace is unmerited love. If one doesn't merit salvation, then how is there a relationship before salvation. Christ said, "No one comes to the Father except through me." If you have to go through Jesus to get to the Father and, Jesus being God as the Father is, how can one possibly have a relationship before salvation? There's nothing made up here it's Biblical.

GC

(February 19, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Hoopington Wrote: Seriously, allow me to flip that.

Is there any of it you honestly think to be true?

really?

I think the answer to that is obvious...

(February 19, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: There's nothing made up here it's Biblical.

GC

Um, well . . . never mind.

How did Saul die?

I know the answer but I'm interested to hear opinions.

(February 19, 2015 at 5:44 pm)robvalue Wrote: How did Saul die?

I know the answer but I'm interested to hear opinions.

I know where you're going with this..

Saul killed himself, trust me, there is no contradiction.

(February 19, 2015 at 11:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 18, 2015 at 9:13 pm)IATIA Wrote: Romans 8 does not address Luke 21:29-32.

But it does, it's saying all who God foreknew he predestined. Isn't Jesus God?

Quote:Luke 21
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Quote:Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Again I say, Romans 8 does not address Luke 21. Romans says god had knowledge of events (apparently because they were predetermined and no free will involved. Ergo, robots), but it still does not reference Luke 21 and god's foreknowledge does not invalidate it either.

Quote:Luke 21
32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Well, that generation has passed away and we are still here. Whoops!

(February 19, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: There's nothing made up here it's Biblical.

GC

GC turning stand-up pro now!

A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says "why the long face"?

(February 19, 2015 at 7:31 pm)IATIA Wrote:

Quote:Luke 21
32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Well, that generation has passed away and we are still here. Whoops!

The book of Matthew goes into much better detail of the "things" Jesus is referring to.

Quote:Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Quote:Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Please explain where the parts I've underlined has happened?

Also in the Book of Revelation, aka "the Apocalypse" It references the same event"

Quote:Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Jesus clearly said "when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."

Again, my question to you is, when has that specific even occurred?