You keep inventing probabilities nogodaloud, and keep running away from peoples arguments. On this thread you claim:

NoGodaloud ? Wrote:Lee Smolin (a world-class physicist and a leader in quantum gravity) estimates that if the physical constants of the universe were chosen randomly, the epistemic-probability of ending up with a world with carbon chemistry is less than one part in 10^220.

Yet, on the "How to debate a Christian" thread you claim:

NoGodaloud ? Wrote:But to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done. Thats a 1 with 500 zeros.

I rest my case. You sir, are full of bullshit.

(August 22, 2010 at 7:42 pm)LastPoet Wrote: You keep inventing probabilities nogodaloud, and keep running away from peoples arguments. On this thread you claim:

NoGodaloud ? Wrote:Lee Smolin (a world-class physicist and a leader in quantum gravity) estimates that if the physical constants of the universe were chosen randomly, the epistemic-probability of ending up with a world with carbon chemistry is less than one part in 10^220.

Yet, on the "How to debate a Christian" thread you claim:

NoGodaloud ? Wrote:But to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done. Thats a 1 with 500 zeros.

I rest my case. You sir, are full of bullshit.

Lee Smolin was referring only the estimate to produce Carbon based life by chance.
The other estimate includes not only the chance of carbon based life, but the universe as a whole.

You rest your case, because you have no convincing case. Sadly you don't admit it, instead of this, you insult me......

Sorry, but like I said before, you are just spewing stuff you read on religious websites, you posed no argument yet. But do carry on, I'm having fun waching you doing silly apologetics. That you feel insulted I already know, theists always have thin skins

(August 22, 2010 at 9:17 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Sorry, but like I said before, you are just spewing stuff you read on religious websites, you posed no argument yet. But do carry on, I'm having fun waching you doing silly apologetics. That you feel insulted I already know, theists always have thin skins

I'm afraid there is a lot of silly quote mining. As if Lee Smolin or any reputable physicist thinks a god was sitting there with some dials to ensure we would arrive at some point; just ridiculous. A misuse of probability theories to state look how nearly we didn't get here. Is that the best that can be done to infer god? Fine tuning is so weak as an argument. A godcould clearly have improved on the design as he can create at least one habitable world. Why not more? Why is 99.99999999999999999999%+ hostile to life? What were the odds of the universe not coming into existence with the constants as they are? What other combinations would lead to other life forms? There are clearly other configurations that lead to life seemingly god lives in one. All these questions are unadressed by fine tuning but need to be answered.