(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(March 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I think it's the misconception that all atheists are leftist potheads (to some extent you need to agree it's a view fuelled by conservatives)

Well I'm a rightish pothead. I'm comfortable with the label libertarian but more comfortable with the label conservative, just because I think it's funny to be a conservative Atheist. But yeah I agree that some conservative Christians feel the need to make atheists their total enemy by pretending that they disagree with them on everything. I think a lot of conservative Atheists are also not that into their Atheism, they are more just casual Atheists, not really the firebrand type that these forums get. I'm fairly apolitical and more into religious and philosophical issues than political one. Also a forum member I talk to privately told me that they know lots of conservative Atheists but that they tend to be far more likely to be in the closet than others.

I am right wing as well - I am better classified as a classic liberal. I agree with libertarians on some things, but I'm not capitalist enough to be labelled a libertarian - Assuming you know what libertarianism means (the right wing libertarianism) and the dichotomy between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists If I was socially conservative I'd be a full conservative.

For curiosity, why do you call yourself a conservative? For example, do you agree with this:

http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/deta...rinciples/

I post on a forum for politics, it's full of ideologically diverse people. I get along with conservatives, but we disagree on some things like gay marriage, abortion etc. That list of principles seems to be important for conservatives. I also think conservatism doesn't mean the same in every country because what is meant to be preserved is different. For example, American conservatives are liberal on economics because the US was founded on the principles of liberalism (how ironic!), but conservatives in Europe are pro-government intervention because it's tradition

(March 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Dystopia Wrote:

(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Well I'm a rightish pothead. I'm comfortable with the label libertarian but more comfortable with the label conservative, just because I think it's funny to be a conservative Atheist. But yeah I agree that some conservative Christians feel the need to make atheists their total enemy by pretending that they disagree with them on everything. I think a lot of conservative Atheists are also not that into their Atheism, they are more just casual Atheists, not really the firebrand type that these forums get. I'm fairly apolitical and more into religious and philosophical issues than political one. Also a forum member I talk to privately told me that they know lots of conservative Atheists but that they tend to be far more likely to be in the closet than others.

I am right wing as well - I am better classified as a classic liberal. I agree with libertarians on some things, but I'm not capitalist enough to be labelled a libertarian - Assuming you know what libertarianism means (the right wing libertarianism) and the dichotomy between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists If I was socially conservative I'd be a full conservative.

For curiosity, why do you call yourself a conservative? For example, do you agree with this:

http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/deta...rinciples/

I post on a forum for politics, it's full of ideologically diverse people. I get along with conservatives, but we disagree on some things like gay marriage, abortion etc. That list of principles seems to be important for conservatives. I also think conservatism doesn't mean the same in every country because what is meant to be preserved is different. For example, American conservatives are liberal on economics because the US was founded on the principles of liberalism (how ironic!), but conservatives in Europe are pro-government intervention because it's tradition

I knew there was a reason that I get so many kudos from you! Yeah I would say my beliefs are very similar to yours. That if I were socially conservative (and I don't think that social conservatism is entirely without merit either, especially the focus on the importance of the family and the cohesiveness of the family) then I would be fully a conservative. I don't really like the label libertarian because, yeah, too often it's associated with Ayn Rand types and I firmly believe that a mixed economy is best. There is also an uncomfortable level of kookism associated with libertarianism for me. I'd like that my views might be closest to a Barry Goldwater or something. He wrote a book about being a conservative so I like the label. Browsing the points in that link, yeah I probably agree with most of that.

However I live a super non-conservative lifestyle, I probably have the most radically anti-establishment lifestyle on the forums.

(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Sometimes also I don't readily express my more conservative beliefs on here because I know this forum is full of you liberals and I don't want to miss out on the kudos.

Definitions are slippery things when it comes to politics.
On gay rights and many other family value issues I'm left or more rightly (pun intended) libertarian. On the capitalist versus socialism scale I'm pretty conservative or more rightly libertarian. But there are atheists who are so conservative they leave shaking my head. Every so often I voice my opinions about economics, but it takes energy to respond to what sometimes feels like the whole forum.

(March 7, 2015 at 10:40 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(March 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I am right wing as well - I am better classified as a classic liberal. I agree with libertarians on some things, but I'm not capitalist enough to be labelled a libertarian - Assuming you know what libertarianism means (the right wing libertarianism) and the dichotomy between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists If I was socially conservative I'd be a full conservative.

For curiosity, why do you call yourself a conservative? For example, do you agree with this:

http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/deta...rinciples/

I post on a forum for politics, it's full of ideologically diverse people. I get along with conservatives, but we disagree on some things like gay marriage, abortion etc. That list of principles seems to be important for conservatives. I also think conservatism doesn't mean the same in every country because what is meant to be preserved is different. For example, American conservatives are liberal on economics because the US was founded on the principles of liberalism (how ironic!), but conservatives in Europe are pro-government intervention because it's tradition

I knew there was a reason that I get so many kudos from you! Yeah I would say my beliefs are very similar to yours. That if I were socially conservative (and I don't think that social conservatism is entirely without merit either, especially the focus on the importance of the family and the cohesiveness of the family) then I would be fully a conservative. I don't really like the label libertarian because, yeah, too often it's associated with Ayn Rand types and I firmly believe that a mixed economy is best. There is also an uncomfortable level of kookism associated with libertarianism for me. I'd like that my views might be closest to a Barry Goldwater or something. He wrote a book about being a conservative so I like the label. Browsing the points in that link, yeah I probably agree with most of that.

However I live a super non-conservative lifestyle, I probably have the most radically anti-establishment lifestyle on the forums.

I think some libertarians are just classic liberals - Right wing libertarianism (I'd like to highlight the fact libertarianism can be left wing, it's called socialist libertarianism) is either anarcho-capitalism or minarchism (the state only intervenes with military and police - nothing else) so it doesn't appeal to most people.

My experience in arguing with conservatives in a forum about politics has changed some of my views about them.

Curiously I'm a rightist liberal that lives a very "conservative" lifestyle.

The reason I don't vote for conservatives in my country is because (1) They are too Christian (2) They support the EU and I'm Euro-skeptical (it's not like in the UK that has a euro-skeptical party) (3) They are too conservative socially too suit my views

[My only choice for a euro-skeptical party is the far-right which I refuse to vote for because they are basically new-school neo-nazis)

Some of my views are labelled by my friends as far right, such as my criticism of Islam - I find it overwhelmingly inaccurate because far-right is something we usually associate with Hitler or extremist ideologies

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(March 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Sometimes also I don't readily express my more conservative beliefs on here because I know this forum is full of you liberals and I don't want to miss out on the kudos.

Definitions are slippery things when it comes to politics.
On gay rights and many other family value issues I'm left or more rightly (pun intended) libertarian. On the capitalist versus socialism scale I'm pretty conservative or more rightly libertarian. But there are atheists who are so conservative they leave in shaking my head. Every so often I voice my opinions about ecomonics, but it takes energy to respond to what sometimes feels like the whole forum.

I think there's plenty of atheists who think like that - In fact, atheists who have taken a degree on economics will probably think like that

I still think you must be a classic liberal like the other thousands of people who claim to lean libertarian, simply because you probably don't agree with the extremist of non-state intervention some libertarian policies propose. Do you think someone should be left to starve if that person doesn't have any money? If you answered "no", then you are not so libertarian.

Deservedly banned.

(March 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(March 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Sometimes also I don't readily express my more conservative beliefs on here because I know this forum is full of you liberals and I don't want to miss out on the kudos.

Definitions are slippery things when it comes to politics.
On gay rights and many other family value issues I'm left or more rightly (pun intended) libertarian. On the capitalist versus socialism scale I'm pretty conservative or more rightly libertarian. But there are atheists who are so conservative they leave in shaking my head. Every so often I voice my opinions about ecomonics, but it takes energy to respond to what sometimes feels like the whole forum.

See, again I had no idea, I assumed you and Dystopia were liberals, just like most of the people on here. It's funny because even though our only medium is type and I'm not the most participatory forum member, there are some people on here whom I almost intuitively like. I think it might help just being out of the closet as having conservative (or however you want to label them) beliefs on these forums. I agree with you though that a lot of the time I don't bother because it is too exhausting to argue with the whole forum. I think that experience sometimes makes me feel like all Atheists are liberals.

I'm pro-gun for those that can safely operate them. I'm also squeamish on affirmative action. As well, I prefer a balanced budget, and that's something Republicans used to be really into. I'm an independent who votes reliably Democrat, but that's mostly because of gay marriage. If that were not an issue, I'd probably have a much easier time voting Republican.

That's called the peer effect, no one actually says they are not so liberal because of fear of repercussions.

I have some political beliefs that I have never revealed because I don't want to get a shit-storm of comments.

(March 7, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Dystopia Wrote: That's called the peer effect, no one actually says they are not so liberal because of fear of repercussions.

I have some political beliefs that I have never revealed because I don't want to get a shit-storm of comments.

Except I've been saying that I'm a conservative on here for years! I don't even use a fancy term like classical liberal. I think that's part of the reason I like the term conservative, even though you are right, classical liberal is more accurate than either that or libertarian. Conservative is just so much more in your face. It's the same reason I tell people I know in real life that I'm an Atheist, even though Agnostic is probably more accurate. Atheist is just so much more fun and in your face.

(March 7, 2015 at 10:03 pm)theGays Wrote: Just curious?

Does this mean you are :
Pro gay, anti-hetero, anti-christian?

Also from a political standpoint - do you guys want a totalitiarian Orwellian Socialist Government year after year after year? If so, how do you plan on getting rid of the 'unwanted' citizens that don't contribute to our GDP and the faith of Atheism?

Definitely anti hetero. Those bastards make me puke!