(March 10, 2015 at 11:23 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 8:04 am)mralstoner Wrote: If you haven't noticed, all the allies of the USA are freaking out at how the USA is appeasing and retreating to evil everywhere. Just look at Israel.

Israel is no ally of America; witness Netanyahu's attempt to subvert the American political process in order to cover his own domestic unease and his nation's stupid policies.

What strikes me as even more absurd is his anecdotal use of all allies. I can assure everyone that noone's freaking out here in Europe. The freaking out part happened back in 2003 when another president let his ass decide what makes a good foreign policy. We're reaping the results right now.

And Netanyahus's freaking capabilities are hardly evidence for all allies.

Indeed. I haven't been abroad since Obama's election, but I'd be surprised if my reception wasn't a bit warmer than back in our heyday of treating every problem by bombing brown folks.

(March 10, 2015 at 9:43 am)Nope Wrote:

(March 10, 2015 at 7:46 am)One Above All Wrote: Something seems off here... I believe it's because I've never heard anyone outside the USA refer to Obama as the "leader of the free world".

I was wondering the same thing. Do people outside of the USA even use that phrase?

That I know of, only sarcastically. That includes some people within the USA as well - those who know the status of the prisons in there.

(March 10, 2015 at 10:02 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: No but for real, why are you so obsessed with this conspiracy claim? Do you have any other nutty schemes to enlighten us about, like chemtrails or vaccines or flouride in our water being used to control us?

I only discovered this by accident. I like watching two types of youtube videos (a) history channel videos and (b) mystery/conspiracies. Usually I don't expect to believe the conspiracies, I just like the curiosity of them.

I do visit plenty of right wing websites and the birther thing comes up every now and again, along with the communist influences on Obama, yet none of those websites mention this whopping big conspiracy.

So, I'm shocked why even why the right-wing doesn't see this.

As for other conspiracies, as a matter of fact ... The MH370 satellite communications were faked by the hijackers, leaving a southern data trail of fake breadcrumbs. But the hijackers weren't aware that other satellite data was being collected which actually points to a northern flight path, landing in Russian controlled territory:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...heory.html

But take this to another thread if you want to discuss it.

Other conspiracies? Yes perhaps China is up to no good here in Australia, but I'll leave that to another time.

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(March 10, 2015 at 11:21 am)Esquilax Wrote: What does any of this matter?

Oh dear. You can argue that his father's character is not that important (although I think the communist aspect does cast grave doubt over Obama's intentions).

But when a president lies this big about his family background? You don't see that as a problem? How on earth can you trust a man who lies this big? You can't believe a word he says, and you don't know what his true intentions are.

If you had a relationship with someone who lied this big, how would you react? You would walk away because you can't trust him. End of relationship. It's over. Trust is fundamental to a relationship, on a personal level, and a political level.

(March 11, 2015 at 3:57 am)mralstoner Wrote: Oh dear. You can argue that his father's character is not that important (although I think the communist aspect does cast grave doubt over Obama's intentions).

So, as I asked before, what's wrong with communism?

But more importantly, people are not direct clones of their parents, nor do they automatically carry their parents agendas. Obama's father's character has no implications for the man himself; only his actions do.

Quote:But when a president lies this big about his family background? You don't see that as a problem? How on earth can you trust a man who lies this big? You can't believe a word he says, and you don't know what his true intentions are.

If you had a relationship with someone who lied this big, how would you react? You would walk away because you can't trust him. End of relationship. It's over. Trust is fundamental to a relationship, on a personal level, and a political level.

Why are you assuming conscious deception? The basis of your argument boils down to little more than "they look kinda alike!", it's not like you have some common knowledge smoking gun... so why are you assuming Obama has one? What evidence do you have that he knows his father is this other guy? Given the weakness of the evidence that you're using to form your position, I can't imagine you have some reason to believe Obama has better evidence.

The way you're reacting to this, the extremes you're swinging to immediately, tells us a lot more than you intended about the real reasons you're saying all this.

(March 11, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, as I asked before, what's wrong with communism?

I'm curious to see mralstoner's answer to this as well, but will simultaneously ask mralstoner to list the actions taken by President Obama that justify the charge of Marxist/communist sympathies.

And why aren't more Christers on board with either Communism or communism ?

Ananias and Sapphira found out the hard way that God is rather partial to commies.

Weird, they don't see Marx doing the Lawd's work, either.

(March 11, 2015 at 3:57 am)mralstoner Wrote: So, I'm shocked why even why the right-wing doesn't see this.

Ever considered the possibility that it may be just a little too bullshitty even for their tastes?

And watching the history channel and conspiracy vid is about the same. The history channel is absolute bullcrap and doesn't deserve it's name.

Here's an interesting comparison.

On the left is Mark Ndesandjo, son of Kenyan Obama Snr (to a Jewish white woman) so he comes out looking Arabic.

On the right is Mark Davis, the son of Frank Marshall Davis and his white wife.


It's not easy but I still lean Obama towards the Davis lineage.

Note the long flat forehead with Obama and Davis, while shorter and curved forehead with Ndesandjo.

Mark Davis also has the age spots that Obama is developing.

Ndesandjo also has a pointier nose, while Obama and Davis have rounded nose tip.

Here you can see better the shorter forehead and skull of Ndesandjo, consistent with the Kenyans:



And a skull splitting picture ...



He's a lying fraud.

Everyone knows Obama's father is James Earl Jones, i.e. darth vader in disguise.