The details of supposed conversation are a distant secondary issue (to the point of irrelevance) to the source of the supposed conversation.

(March 18, 2015 at 10:57 am)Mr Greene Wrote: The details of supposed conversation are a distant secondary issue (to the point of irrelevance) to the source of the supposed conversation.

Watch This is how one response when one truly does not care about what is being said.. You ready? Here goes:
















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(March 18, 2015 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote:

(March 16, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Dontsaygoodnight Wrote: He has spoken to me. I could only become an anti-Christ at this point. I had long misunderstood what Jesus meant by "the meek shall inherit the Earth", because I understood the word, "meek", to be along the lines of submissive, yielding, gentle but in regards to my relationship with fellow humans. What he meant was that those who are formed by God will inherit the Earth. So blessed are those that can be molded by God.

I didn't see The Meek/Anti Christ thing as a quote from Christ..

Since he had misunderstood the verse until god spoke to him, I presumed that the new understanding was part of the message.

(March 18, 2015 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: I do to a degree with his defination of Meek. For me 'Meek and Humble before God are the same. In that a Humble man can be molded into whatever role God would have Him play. The same too is true for the Meek man. and the two also share in humility toward God, which they will no doubt reap a reward from.

Where we differ is the humility toward our fellow man.

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I take the stance to humble myself before God because This is our single most greatest command. However our Greatest commands do not stop there. we also Have 'Love your neighbor as your self.' Which also speaks to Humbling yourself to your neighbor is a way that you yourself would approve of.

That said when we then look at the verse "The meek shall inherit the earth, we must also look at everything else Jesus actually said in the bible concerning the topic, and make sure it all jives together.

Therefore in light of our greatest command (Love God with all you being and your neighbor as your self) then weigh that in with the statment 'The meek shall inherit the earth.' a very clear picture of whom Jesus is identifying as 'meek' appears. It is as the OP suggests, but it also includes a servant of his fellow man. Much like Christ was.

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And there it is. You both have spent much time on the issue and yet you have a striking difference in opinion about what should be fairly clear. I'm sure it's not the only difference between you. But frankly, I'm not concerned about differences reached through scripture. It's differences reached through personal experience with god that interest me here. People have thought that they received divine revelations from Jesus, Mary, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Athena, Ra, and who knows who else. The fact remains that the messages received are vastly different. That suggests to me that the revelations are not from one god if they are from any god at all. It also suggests divine revelation is a very unreliable way to learn anything.

Like those who see UFOs and fairies for that matter, what people see when they encounter god is generally what would be expected in their culture. When a man who has never heard of Jesus or read the Bible sees Jesus in a vision, and his message appears to be what he told the disciples, then we might be getting somewhere.

(March 18, 2015 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: 'Mainstream' doesn't really have any hold or say with God. The Pharisees and Saducees were 'Mainstream' in Christ's day, and they didn't have it right.. Not even close.

And who's to say you have it right? You all disagree. And you all claim the same source: divine revelation yours or someone elses.

[BTW there are two d's in Sadducee. Spelling it your way makes me think of sadists. They might be called mainstream I suppose. They were in charge of the temple anyway. The Pharisees were directly at odds with the Sadducees. They believed that there were holy things outside the temple. Their emphasis was on keeping the law of god and separation from gentiles. In the long run, it is the Pharisees who had the most influence on modern Judiaism. ]

(March 16, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Dontsaygoodnight Wrote: One observation I can make about the atheists that I have met is that they love the idea of having the truth and they hate liars. I am Christian. It is too late for me to convert to atheism for I have had that personal encounter with Jesus Christ, that so many people talk about. He has spoken to me. I could only become an anti-Christ at this point. I had long misunderstood what Jesus meant by "the meek shall inherit the Earth", because I understood the word, "meek", to be along the lines of submissive, yielding, gentle but in regards to my relationship with fellow humans. What he meant was that those who are formed by God will inherit the Earth. So blessed are those that can be molded by God.

I have no idea if it rare for God to speak to someone. For all that I know he speaks with his people on a regular basis. He spoke with me in secret. He gave me no material evidence that I could show to others. I don't feel the need for others to believe that this occurred or even that anyone know that such a thing transpired. It was a personal blessing and a reward. Not for being perfect. Even knowing that God exists did not stop me from my future sins just like knowing God is real didn't save anyone else, that heard him, from sinning. It is a comfort, don't get me wrong. I enjoy being beyond the debate even if makes no difference to anyone. But it didn't change me instantly into a better person. Anyway, that's the thing I was going to illuminate for someone. Maybe no one. Even if God proved his existence you might be surprised by how little it moved you to significant behavioral change. Even Jesus, the one begotten by God, was killed for a charge of blasphemy and for all intents and purposes they were speaking directly to God and God was speaking directly to them.

At any rate, I'm sure most of you have your humanity to your own degree, no matter what you believe in. But still you have some humanity. There are worse ways to be. I have no proof of it, of course, but the God of hosts, has stopped a great many people from losing their humanity and helped many people recover it and in this way he has prevented a great deal of evil. It's a world of good and evil where God raises human beings. He knows few people will find him. He said so himself. But the truth be told, if God so chose, he could take any one of you decent human beings and make a son of God out of you. And if he doesn't, and you somehow found out he didn't write your name in his book of life, I wonder, would you hate him for not making it easy enough for you too. But really, have you done anything wrong for trying to be scientific and go about life like a detective, gathering the evidence, weighing and measuring things just like you've been taught to do? Nope. And the effect of your sins upon your life's spirit. Your joy, hope, love, etc. etc. For all we know it could be much worse except for the efforts of God. We might all be starring off in the distance drooling little pools of spit. At least we have enough spirit to be angry and take God's name in vain. Praise be to God for the sacrifice he gave by sending his Son, Jesus, into the world, to give us life more fully, and for his mercy from the cross, who did not call down wrath upon his enemies but did the will of the Almighty, throughout his bodily and his own personal experience with human beings.

At least you titled this crap appropriately — it truly is unbelievable.

(March 16, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Dontsaygoodnight Wrote: At any rate, I'm sure most of you have your humanity to your own degree, no matter what you believe in. But still you have some humanity. There are worse ways to be.

Your generosity is overwhelming.

There's always something worse.

No matter how bad it is, I can always stick a spider on you or something, or poke you, or put an annoying sound in the background.

(March 18, 2015 at 11:59 am)robvalue Wrote: There's always something worse.

No matter how bad it is, I can always stick a spider on you or something, or poke you, or put an annoying sound in the background.

You're someone's older brother, aren't you?

(March 18, 2015 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote:

(March 18, 2015 at 10:57 am)Mr Greene Wrote: The details of supposed conversation are a distant secondary issue (to the point of irrelevance) to the source of the supposed conversation.

Watch This is how one response when one truly does not care about what is being said.. You ready? Here goes:
















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Funny. That's precisely what I perceive Dritch as saying in every single one of his posts on this forum. A big old wad of nothing.

(March 18, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(March 18, 2015 at 11:59 am)robvalue Wrote: There's always something worse.

No matter how bad it is, I can always stick a spider on you or something, or poke you, or put an annoying sound in the background.

You're someone's older brother, aren't you?

I am! But I was the one receiving the annoying noise, years and years of full pelt fucking gangster rap 14 hours a day.

(March 18, 2015 at 11:51 am)Jenny A Wrote: Since he had misunderstood the verse until god spoke to him, I presumed that the new understanding was part of the message.

He did not misunderstand the verse only the meaning of one word.
It doesnt take a divine revelation to correct someone's understanding of said word.

(March 18, 2015 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: I do to a degree with his defination of Meek. For me 'Meek and Humble before God are the same. In that a Humble man can be molded into whatever role God would have Him play. The same too is true for the Meek man. and the two also share in humility toward God, which they will no doubt reap a reward from.

Where we differ is the humility toward our fellow man.

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I take the stance to humble myself before God because This is our single most greatest command. However our Greatest commands do not stop there. we also Have 'Love your neighbor as your self.' Which also speaks to Humbling yourself to your neighbor is a way that you yourself would approve of.

That said when we then look at the verse "The meek shall inherit the earth, we must also look at everything else Jesus actually said in the bible concerning the topic, and make sure it all jives together.

Therefore in light of our greatest command (Love God with all you being and your neighbor as your self) then weigh that in with the statment 'The meek shall inherit the earth.' a very clear picture of whom Jesus is identifying as 'meek' appears. It is as the OP suggests, but it also includes a servant of his fellow man. Much like Christ was.

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Quote:And there it is. You both have spent much time on the issue and yet you have a striking difference in opinion about what should be fairly clear.

That's just it we havent disagreed on anything. I simply pointed out the other side of the same coin. matter of fact I went out of my way to underscore his points in the OP, but again pointed out it goes further and why it does.

Quote:I'm sure it's not the only difference between you. But frankly, I'm not concerned about differences reached through scripture. It's differences reached through personal experience with god that interest me here.

Which is good, because in the parable of the talents Jesus explains we are only responsiable to what we have been given. If Jesus truly only gave the op one side of the coin then that is all he is responsiable for.

Quote: People have thought that they received divine revelations from Jesus, Mary, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Athena, Ra, and who knows who else. The fact remains that the messages received are vastly different.

so? The gears in a swiss made watch are vastly different yet they all work together to serve one purpose. So too have we been made. Paul says we are all different members/parts of the same body. We each have a different function yet serve the same body.

Quote:That suggests to me that the revelations are not from one god if they are from any god at all. It also suggests divine revelation is a very unreliable way to learn anything.

It's an excellent way to identify your particular role and job as a member of the body. If one remains faithful to his lot, then he will be given more.

Quote:Like those who see UFOs and fairies for that matter, what people see when they encounter god is generally what would be expected in their culture. When a man who has never heard of Jesus or read the Bible sees Jesus in a vision, and his message appears to be what he told the disciples, then we might be getting somewhere.

Kinda like how I pointed out the OP's story/Defination did indeed coinside with Scripture?

Quote:And who's to say you have it right? You all disagree. And you all claim the same source: divine revelation yours or someone elses.

What makes you think we all have to be right? All God wants is our absolute 110% best. Or so say Christ.

[BTW there are two d's in Sadducee. Spelling it your way makes me think of sadists. They might be called mainstream I suppose. They were in charge of the temple anyway. The Pharisees were directly at odds with the Sadducees. They believed that there were holy things outside the temple. Their emphasis was on keeping the law of god and separation from gentiles. In the long run, it is the Pharisees who had the most influence on modern Judiaism. ]
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Because the SadDucee's were all slaughtered by the romans in 70AD when they burned the temple.

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(March 18, 2015 at 11:59 am)robvalue Wrote: There's always something worse.

No matter how bad it is, I can always stick a spider on you or something, or poke you, or put an annoying sound in the background.

You may see these words again from time to time...