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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm
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Yeah...
But thinking wants you to think that you should find another method than thinking because thinking makes you dependent on thinking.
If you can come up with another way we can interact with the universe that doesn't include thinking, I'll be most impressed! Foot science or something.
And we can't evaluate how good the new method is without thinking. And since that is the problem, we can't know if our evaluation is correct.
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm
(March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: If you can come up with another way we can interact with the universe that doesn't include thinking, I'll be most impressed!
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 1:55 pm
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm
(March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm)daver49 Wrote: (March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: If you can come up with another way we can interact with the universe that doesn't include thinking, I'll be most impressed!
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm
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(March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm)daver49 Wrote: (March 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: If you can come up with another way we can interact with the universe that doesn't include thinking, I'll be most impressed!
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Is that interacting?
act in such a way as to have an effect on another; act reciprocally.
?
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 11:02 pm
(March 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: (March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm)daver49 Wrote: Just Being
Is that interacting?
act in such a way as to have an effect on another; act reciprocally.
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm
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What...what is happening in this thread?
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 20, 2015 at 12:23 am
(March 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: (March 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm)daver49 Wrote: Just Being
Is that interacting?
act in such a way as to have an effect on another; act reciprocally.?
It is the end of interacting because there is no "other" to interact with. Being is the realization that you don't "have a life" ( i.e a life that "belongs" to you and others have lives that belong to them). Life isn't an object, life is the subject you are. It also is the realization that who you "think" you are is not who you really are. Who you "think" you are is a collection of thoughts and their associated feelings (body reactions identified as physical sensations). The next time you have a feeling like anger or happiness, it will probably be associated with thoughts like "I am angry because.." or "I am happy because..." Who is observing these thoughts and these feelings? Which "me" is real: the thoughts and feelings I think I am or that who is aware of the thoughts and feelings being present? So, in a weird-crazy way, to interact with you is to really be interacting with myself because we are one life manifesting itself as separate and temporary forms of that one life energy. Just observe your thoughts and feelings for a while and I think you will realize you are more than your thoughts and that Descartes only had part of the picture when he said "Ego cogito, ergo sum." This isn't to say thoughts are not important or have no value, just that they are not who you are or who other people are. One wonderful by-product is that we have the end of judgement (final judgement?) because judgement is a product of thoughts, concepts and feelings. All is well.
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 20, 2015 at 4:35 am
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You just described lots of thought processes.
How do you have a "realization" without thinking?
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RE: Square-circles Vs. God
March 20, 2015 at 7:29 am
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(March 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: What...what is happening in this thread? Mysticism.  pooky:
(March 20, 2015 at 12:23 am)daver49 Wrote: Being is the realization that you don't "have a life" ( i.e a life that "belongs" to you and others have lives that belong to them). 'Being' is the 'act of having existence'. From the perspective of a living subject, it is 'having a life'. You can't simply redefine words to mean the opposite of what they actually mean just to support your position. That's called 'disingenuity'.
Quote:Life isn't an object, life is the subject you are.
...and then you contradict yourself in the very next sentence.
Quote:It also is the realization that who you "think" you are is not who you really are.
Only if you're delusional. That said, there's a theory that everyone's self-realisation is slightly skewed.
Quote:Who you "think" you are is a collection of thoughts and their associated feelings (body reactions identified as physical sensations). The next time you have a feeling like anger or happiness, it will probably be associated with thoughts like "I am angry because.." or "I am happy because..." Who is observing these thoughts and these feelings?
'You' are.
Quote:Which "me" is real: the thoughts and feelings I think I am or that who is aware of the thoughts and feelings being present?
There's only one of you. In fact, if there's more than one personality in your head, it's classified as a mental disorder. The ability to self-analyse and/or compartmentalise/distance parts of your thinking in order to aid that process is not indcative of multiple personalities.
Quote:So, in a weird-crazy way, to interact with you is to really be interacting with myself because we are one life manifesting itself as separate and temporary forms of that one life energy.
And where did this jump come from? Please show your working. Where's the evidence to suggest this?
Quote:Just observe your thoughts and feelings for a while and I think you will realize you are more than your thoughts
Indeed. I am a sum of my thoughts, actions and experiences.
Quote: and that Descartes only had part of the picture when he said "Ego cogito, ergo sum." This isn't to say thoughts are not important or have no value, just that they are not who you are or who other people are.
Not solely but I think that's not what you mean and you're trying to support a dualist position.
Quote:One wonderful by-product is that we have the end of judgement (final judgement?) because judgement is a product of thoughts, concepts and feelings. All is well.
Is the whole point of your post that we shouldn't think and that 'freedom from judging' is somehow a payoff for that?! How do you even tie your shoelaces...
BTW I think you missed Donne's point.
Sum ergo sum
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