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Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
#51
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 12:14 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(March 25, 2015 at 9:46 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Really, you've seen it. Then you should easily be able to convey that evidence to us, right?

[crickets]




As I suspected...

Your nonsensical comment didn't warrant a response.

Are you saying you'd accept my word for it? because that's the only way I could relay my experience to you...

(March 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Good, so you admit to denying the scientific theory of evolution.

You can accept your own "biblical" definition of your version of evolution, but you are indeed denying the scientific theory of evolution, which is what people are referring to when they say you deny evolution.
So if disagree with how someone arrived at a math equation, does that mean I'm denying math?
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#52
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 12:24 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Good, so you admit to denying the scientific theory of evolution.

You can accept your own "biblical" definition of your version of evolution, but you are indeed denying the scientific theory of evolution, which is what people are referring to when they say you deny evolution.
So if disagree with how someone arrived at a math equation, does that mean I'm denying math?

Don't be daft, that's a completely useless non-analogy.

The scientific theory of evolution involves as a foundation the common ancestry of all living things back to a single celled organism, and the emergence of new species. You've denied both of these points. You do not accept the scientific theory of evolution.
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- Thomas Jefferson
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#53
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The point is, that whole scenario was made up in your mind. Rape was never discussed....So whatever you thought my position was is moot...because that conversation never happened.

Ah yes, we were actually discussing slavery. But the point remains, that my initial argument said nothing at all about you attempting to defend rape, and yet you're claiming that it did... which is dishonesty.

Quote:Fiat currency IS NOT inherently more valuable than monopoly money, and gold IS more valuable than fiat currency because it is a COMMODITY.
Got it?

I get that it's a diversion to get away from answering for what you say in this thread. Don't think I haven't noticed the large tracts of my post that somehow went missing when you responded to them. Dodgy

Quote:Where exactly did I deny evolution?

Quote: No, I'm denying their version of evolution.

Right here. The "they" in that sentence refers to biologists, to Darwin himself, in fact, and "they" are absolutely the people who get to define what their own terms mean. You deny their version of evolution, you deny evolution period. You don't get to make up your own definition and then pretend it's exactly as legitimate as the one that's been tested and observed to happen. It's roughly akin to being a person who denies that germs exist, but insists that he doesn't deny germ theory because he's decided that the word "germs" actually means "monkeys," and he accepts that monkeys exist. It's ridiculous, but playing around with definitions rather than using them honestly is also like ninety percent of your debate strategy too.

Now, I also said some things about your ridiculous assertions regarding science, which you seem to think that just ignoring will make them go away. Perhaps you'd like to respond to those, since they were the latest and most relevant ridiculous things you've said today?
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#54
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: No, I'm denying their version of evolution.

Right here. The "they" in that sentence refers to biologists, to Darwin himself, in fact, and "they" are absolutely the people who get to define what their own terms mean. You deny their version of evolution, you deny evolution period. You don't get to make up your own definition and then pretend it's exactly as legitimate as the one that's been tested and observed to happen. It's roughly akin to being a person who denies that germs exist, but insists that he doesn't deny germ theory because he's decided that the word "germs" actually means "monkeys," and he accepts that monkeys exist. It's ridiculous, but playing around with definitions rather than using them honestly is also like ninety percent of your debate strategy too.

Now, I also said some things about your ridiculous assertions regarding science, which you seem to think that just ignoring will make them go away. Perhaps you'd like to respond to those, since they were the latest and most relevant ridiculous things you've said today?
I've said repeatedly that a species EVOLVES from itself, that is still evolution. If you think we all evolved from a single organism, provide the proof.
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#55
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
You do not accept the scientific theory of evolution. At least be honest about that.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#56
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 25, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Do I choose to take God at his word? Yes.

"Let God be true, but every man a liar;" - Romans 3:4

There is a difference between believing God and some random man off the street.
Umm... you are aware that Romans was written by "some random man off the street," right?

(March 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I've said repeatedly that a species EVOLVES from itself, that is still evolution. If you think we all evolved from a single organism, provide the proof.
You sound about as dumb as someone who says, "I believe that rivers FLOW into oceans... if you believe all the oceans comprise a single body of water, provide the proof!"

Okay, for starters and retards:
Distribution of current fauna and ancient fossils in time and space, molecular biology, embryology, and the genetic relationships between all species, and observation of natural selection and sexual selection.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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#57
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
So, Huggy, what do you believe that is different from the usual understanding of evolution? Christians often develop creative ways to fit the square peg of biblical inerrancy into the round hole of paleontology, geology, etc. (Of course if you don't want to go into detail that is fine too. I understand it might be too hard to explain.)

Let's take Wikipedia as the standard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
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#58
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I've said repeatedly that a species EVOLVES from itself, that is still evolution. If you think we all evolved from a single organism, provide the proof.

"If I pretend evolution is something that it isn't, I accept evolution!"

But under a real understanding of evolution and not Huggy's Imagination Funtimes, you deny evolution.

And you do so, in fact, by shifting the burden of proof: since it's an established fact that species change, you are positing the existence of a mechanism that would stop that before the organism changes too much, and that's something you need to provide proof for. Otherwise, the thing we've observed to happen will keep happening.
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#59
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Nestor Wrote:
(March 25, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Do I choose to take God at his word? Yes.

"Let God be true, but every man a liar;" - Romans 3:4

There is a difference between believing God and some random man off the street.
Umm... you are aware that Romans was written by "some random man off the street," right?

Paul was just some random Guy off the street?
The guy whose letters are the foundation of Christianity, was just some random guy?
The Guy who was tutored by Gamaliel, was just some random guy off the street?
The guy who persecuted the early Christians and had a miraculous conversion, was just some random guy off the street.
The guy who was imprisoned, beaten, and eventually beheaded for his beliefs, was just some random guy off the street?

How come I'm just finding this out now Thinking

(March 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I've said repeatedly that a species EVOLVES from itself, that is still evolution. If you think we all evolved from a single organism, provide the proof.

"If I pretend evolution is something that it isn't, I accept evolution!"

But under a real understanding of evolution and not Huggy's Imagination Funtimes, you deny evolution.

And you do so, in fact, by shifting the burden of proof: since it's an established fact that species change, you are positing the existence of a mechanism that would stop that before the organism changes too much, and that's something you need to provide proof for. Otherwise, the thing we've observed to happen will keep happening.
No no, if you saying that we indeed have evolved from a single source, provide the proof. You're saying I'm denying evolution because I don't agree with that position.

Balls in your court baby...
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#60
RE: Christian "faith" vs. plain "faith"
(March 26, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: No no, if you saying that we indeed have evolved from a single source, provide the proof. You're saying I'm denying evolution because I don't agree with that position.

Balls in your court baby...

Sorry, reasserting your burden shifting doesn't make it okay. What is the mechanism that stops organisms from changing genetically too much? If you can't provide that, your objection has no basis, and we don't have any obligation to prove you wrong.
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