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(March 26, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Don't you know, according to the first story in Genesis, every day he did something, he saw that it was "good". Yep... narcissism in its finest form.
Yeah, but that's taking it a bit far. I think most of us are rather proud when we deliver a solid piece of work.
Very true, but the vast majority of us didn't get a book written about it, followed by several more books about all the "good" we supposedly have done, to be compiled in one 1200+ page set.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
March 27, 2015 at 5:58 am (This post was last modified: March 27, 2015 at 5:59 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(March 27, 2015 at 5:09 am)abaris Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote:
Don't you know, according to the first story in Genesis, every day he did something, he saw that it was "good". Yep... narcissism in its finest form.
Yeah, but that's taking it a bit far. I think most of us are rather proud when we deliver a solid piece of work.
Yes - and most of us are a little narcissistic and self-absorbed at times. But usually we're swiftly brought right back to reality, by - well - reality and we get on with our day.
God - as a perfect being, unrestricted by reality - must be infinitely self-absorbed. If he's wise - how could he not admire the greatest wisdom there is? If he's all loving - how could he not love himself? If he's omnipotent - he can s**k his own c**k, too...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
March 27, 2015 at 10:34 pm (This post was last modified: March 27, 2015 at 10:36 pm by Pizza.)
(March 26, 2015 at 11:54 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(March 26, 2015 at 9:35 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote: I don't know about that. I dislike J. Michael Straczynski as a writer.
I'm not saying he's perfect. He really needed a primer on government types before he started naming his powers.
"Republic" means "no king" which also precludes an emperor. "Regime" is not a government type. "Alliance" denotes a confederation which, given Earth control of Mars, seems inappropriate. "League of Non Aligned Worlds" is an oxymoron. "Empire" means an autocrat who rules over more than his/her own people, which is inappropriate for the Vorlons who have minimal direct contact with any other race. That's my big beef with his work. I cringed every time they said "Narn Regime" or "Centauri Republic" etc.
And it all went to pot after season 4.
Still, I really enjoyed the political intrigue. The episodes followed a story arc and things changed over time, unlike with Star Trek where everything resets to 0 at the end of each episode. You could watch a season 1 TNG episode and then a season 6 and not have any trouble knowing what's going on in terms of continuity. The characters in B5 were also three dimensional in comparison. They would make mistakes and have to atone for them.
The future wasn't a pristine, Pollyanna vision either, as it is with Star Trek. Humans survive our current technological adolescence but we didn't become selfless angels either. There is still greed, still political corruption, still social injustice. In Star Trek, everything is clean, literally. The set looks immaculate and brightly lit. In B5, things are dirty, parts of the station aren't well lit, etc. In Star Trek, the only political corruption is hardly institutional but usually the work of one lone male white admiral. You occasionally got some political angst like with the episodes "Measure of a Man" or "The Drumhead", but mostly the episodes were about either some alien mind fuck or engineers solving engineering problems with techno-babble engineering.
TNG really got into a rut one season I remember. "Next on Star Trek, the Next Generation: Something is fucking with the crew members minds. Yes, just like the last six episodes. We've got the fish-eye lens out again. No, we're not putting it away."
And like the disciples following Jesus, no one seems to remember the last mind fuck or figure out protocols in how to deal with it. Neither does anyone remember how they reconfigured the warp coils to boost efficiency by 50% to overcome the something something tacheon emissions to tech the tech tech on the techno tech. Everything is reset to zero after each episode.
But I'm open to your criticism of B5. I've offered mine.
I don't dislike B5(never really watched it). I dislike Straczynski as writer for his awful comic book writing. We have him to thank for that stupid Superman walking across America crap.
I'm sure it evens out with a tv show, since on tv shows there are many writers.
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(March 27, 2015 at 10:34 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: I dislike Straczynski as writer for his awful comic book writing. We have him to thank for that stupid Superman walking across America crap.
Couldn't tell you much about that, since I don't read comics much at all. I don't know that much of anything can be done with Superman as a character. He's pretty two-dimensional and his powers are badly defined with no limitations or vulnerability aside from an element you have to get from his destroyed home planet, and how many times can you believably dip into that well as a story teller?
I give the character some credit since he blazed the trail as the archetype for a new concept, the costumed superhero. He should have been considered a prototype and left on the shelf once better models were made. That his story has been retold and remade over and over is the tale-telling analog of beating a dead horse. I don't know that there's any good direction you CAN go with it.
The recent versions I've seen that pander to the fundy-Christian crowd are probably the best route to take, since they most appreciate a flimsy story with simplistic characters and a plot that's easy on the brain cells.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
Quote:That his story has been retold and remade over and over is the tale-telling analog of beating a dead horse. I don't know that there's any good direction you CAN go with it.
Modern DC and Marvel comics in a nutshell. ^^
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal
(March 27, 2015 at 11:08 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: Modern DC and Marvel comics in a nutshell. ^^
In fairness, that's hardly a problem just for comics. There seems to be so little effort to tell new stories these days. At every turn on every medium (movies, TV, etc.) people seem content to rehash old tales, maybe providing some new spin or maybe just retelling the old yarns with new actors. Not everywhere, in fairness, but it seems like a rut in modern entertainment.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
(March 27, 2015 at 11:08 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: Modern DC and Marvel comics in a nutshell. ^^
In fairness, that's hardly a problem just for comics. There seems to be so little effort to tell new stories these days. At every turn on every medium (movies, TV, etc.) people seem content to rehash old tales, maybe providing some new spin or maybe just retelling the old yarns with new actors. Not everywhere, in fairness, but it seems like a rut in modern entertainment.
I'm okay with rehashed old tales with new spins. I was thinking more along the lines of how DC and Marvel keep rebooting their neverending stories, never really push for something newer and sticking with it .
It's weird how superhero comics from the big two now aim mostly for the "mature" readers demographic and not kids and teens. Superman is a character for kids, and as much as I like Batman he's in the same boat as Superman. Kids really don't have a Batman anymore. From the little I've seen of Batman comics, for example, it mostly panders to "mature" readers. I can't imagine kids wanting to see the Joker with his face cut off.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal
(March 24, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't bring God up sweetheart, you did. This whole conversation is predicated on the fact that God exists. YOU can't start a discussion about God, and then claim he doesn't exist. I already get that you dont believe in God, were simply discussing a scenario (hypothetical in your case) where he does exist.
You starting the discussion about God,then announcing you don't believe in God, is what YOU call a circular argument.
(emphasis is mine)
YOU can't start a discussion about Darth Vader, and then claim he doesn't exist.
YOU can't start a discussion about Voldemort, and then claim he doesn't exist.
YOU can't start a discussion about The Joker, and then claim he doesn't exist.
Really Huggies? Why not?!?
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I've always pictured God as an abusive boyfriend, personally.
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March 27, 2015 at 11:58 pm (This post was last modified: March 28, 2015 at 12:05 am by Bob Kelso.)
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I would argue that if you were a God, you'd have a right to be narcissistic.
Why? Might doesn't make right in my book.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: - Job 9:24
If this was true he wouldn't of given us free will. We ask the question of why evil exists, the truth is, if everyone loved their neighbor, evil wouldn't exist, If everyone had love for one another, starving kids wouldn't exist. You can clearly see that the problem lies not with God but with man.
We could do dueling bible verses if you like, same book too;
Job 12:10- In his hand is the life of every creature, and the breath of all mankind.
Free will indeed, and if you don't utilize that free will in the way he sees fit he only sends you to a torturous plane of existence for all of eternity.
Who has the most culpability in this, Huggy, the mortals or the all powerful, omniscient, deity? In a given situation I'm far angrier with a good man who chose to do nothing, when he could have stopped evil, than the one who committed it; and even this little hypothetical fails to fully address a deity's failings.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If you could create a universe, I'd put you on a pedestal too, because..I don't know...I owe my existence to you?. Also the sacrifices are for YOUR benefit, not his.
So if you found out that the world was actually created by Shai'tan (the Great Lord of the Dark from The Wheel of Time series) you'd worship him because he created you? You would have no mind for merit? No judgement for atrocities? Fuck that mindset man.
As for sacrifice; don't you think a benevolent all powerful deity would just have the capacity for bare forgiveness?
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Strange how this "abusive" God let you get away with this post without being stuck down.
I realize you're new, but the slavery thing has been discussed to death.
Strange how this "benevolent" deity you worship will send a good person to an eternal pit of torture for no more reason than not accepting dubious claims.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Claiming people serve God because they are afraid of Hell is like saying people don't commit murder because they are afraid of the death penalty.
Either your a murder or your not, the penalty for murder doesn't factor in the decision.
So you're claiming that there are no people that take out "fire insurance"? Please. A show of hands, my fellow non-Christians, as to how many of you have seen Pascal's Wager trotted out as if it were the Christian's secret weapon? That's nothing but a tactic to induce doubt and fear in the hopes of conversion, and people have fallen for it since it's conception.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You serve God out of love not fear. You cannot mentally conceive how horrific hell is. It makes no sense for you to fear something you have no concept for. A literal burning hell would be like Disneyland compared to what hell is actually like.
You're either woefully unimaginative, or you're just being a disingenuous tit. Honestly now.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Remember hell was never intended for humans, it was made for Satan and his angels, so it is something that demons are terrified of.
Always love this statement. Pray tell, how on earth does an omniscient being not intend to do something? They know what's going to happen.
(March 24, 2015 at 6:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Just like how you cannot conceive of how vast the universe is, you cannot conceive of horrific hell is. Neither can you conceive of how beautiful heaven is.
(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
I think most of us are rather proud when we deliver a solid piece of work.
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