(April 6, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 11:41 pm)yukapuka Wrote: if you have vision of even a small degree you would see that it is impossible for God to be evil when He created everything with all of its beauty and perfection and the mercy He shows to it , the human being is the only exception for the way God treats the human being depends on how the human being behaves in this life 

if you are an evil creature then God will return evil to you in the worst way possible , if you are a good person then God returns good to you in ways you cannot imagine 

the greatest joy a human being can experience , which finds no description , is if God turns to your heart , if He reveals Himself to you, then EVERYTHING makes sense 
but the problem is that WE with our tiny little puny little minds think we know better, we think we have comprehended the universe and think we figured it all out , that is where the problem is 

Well, whilst you lot are busy prostrating yourself before a cloud-surfing sky man that refuses to stop being shy and reveals himself only to those who most fervently bury their faces in the ground at his feet, the rest of us will be figuring out the workings of the universe and discussing ways to bring peace to humankind in a way that doesn't involve mass worship of an imaginary friend with breathtaking attachment issues.
By all means, join us when you're ready

Again this is what you need to understand , God is present with everyone , but how much of God you perceive depends on you , God never changes his distance from anyone, in that He is closer to each person more than that person imagines or knows, but our perception of Him depends on how much we have blinded our heart 

God has given us the freedom in our own hands to either cover up the light or to let the light shine, if we do sins and evil (even just thinking evil is enough) then we throw veils over this light, or we dim this window, or we darken this window, and hence cant see Him in our selves, however we still see Him in the external world, in that we see His laws in action 

in that we know that laws remain no matter what we do
about your statement that your figuring out how to help the universe while the worshipers are too busy praying, is the most ridiculous statement i have ever heard
majority probably 95% of all charity work and all aid and all efforts to help humanity come from religious sources 

the amount of time, effort, money etc we spend in helping those in need overshadows any efforts that the atheists make 


in fact find me ANY atheist organization where they work as a group or individuals to help those in need 

the statistics are overwhelming as to who actually helps those in need , and have always been in favor of religious people 

however your idea of helping is ridiculous , and the propositions of atheists are blind propositions to the problems of the world 
the only thing atheists work towards is to eliminate religion , and how wrong they are in that 

if all of us together stopped believing in God our fate would be the same fate of the thousands of nations before us, we would suffer instant destruction from God and be all sent to hell permanently and we would deserve to be in the lowest pits of Hell for being so ungrateful to God after He has given us so much that other nations before us didnt even have 

Probably about time to insist that you provide evidence for whatever god you have dreamed up for yourself.

I imagine it will be the same old shit we usually get.

(April 7, 2015 at 12:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Probably about time to insist that you provide evidence for whatever god you have dreamed up for yourself.

I imagine it will be the same old shit we usually get.

what kind of evidence do you want? you want God to speak to you directly? to show you some miracle? to manifest things in front of you?
you need to understand our condition , God has given us a mind and God has given us the universe to see, even looking in the mirror is enough evidence

simple facts of life are evidence 

for example every human being has a distinct fingerprint set, every human being has a distinct pattern in the eye, every human being has a distinct tooth pattern, every single human has a distinct tongue pattern 

and even interesting even twins who are identical in every other way , have distinct fingerprints, and eye patterns and all the other thing is mentioned 

 the way God wants us to conclude belief n Him today is the way of science 

int eh past God worked other ways, people used to practice magick and those kinds of arts and that was in a different time and different place , but now days God has given us the mind and the power to conceive the universe and to identify God through that 

or to identify that a creator is behind it , however having said that miracles do still happen, people have cancers healed overnight, people find lost ones, people have prayers answered , people see amazing things in their hearts and in the world

but there is something you must understand and God says this in teh Quran 

if the angels were to descend and to separate truth from falsehood , then at that moment owuld be judgement day and it would be to late to be saved
we are still here to be tested , to show who has faith, who finds truth who see this life for what it si 

nobody is happy here that is a fact even those who have everything , celebrities have fame, power, money beauty and whatever they want, but what do they go on and end up doing? drugs? rehab? suicide 

Jim Carrey said it perfectly he said "i wish everyone was rich and famous and had everything they wanted so that they can see that THIS is not he answer, this is not what we seek" 

and we as human beings we all know , each and every one of us that we are searching for that ultimate happiness, we spend our lives looking for it, and we think sometimes that happiness is in money or fame or power or whatever else and we seek these things, and sometimes we end up getting them, and it always leads to us finding that this is not the answer and that it causes more problems then solutions 

 THAT is the purpose of life, THAT is the truth of God 

yukapuka Wrote:Again this is what you need to understand , God is present with everyone , but how much of God you perceive depends on you , God never changes his distance from anyone, in that He is closer to each person more than that person imagines or knows, but our perception of Him depends on how much we have blinded our heart

I think you mean how much we have educated ourselves on how the world works, not to mention the profound and disquieting evil done in the name of religions of all kinds. You see, some people decide to read more than one book in their lives. I recommend you try it yourself.

yukapuka Wrote:in that we know that laws remain no matter what we do

about your statement that your figuring out how to help the universe while the worshipers are too busy praying, is the most ridiculous statement i have ever heard
majority probably 95% of all charity work and all aid and all efforts to help humanity come from religious sources

Bull-fucking-shit. The Red Cross as just one example, is expressly religiously neutral, in order to give aid to as many different countries as possible. 95% of efforts to help humanity my arse.

yukapuka Wrote:the only thing atheists work towards is to eliminate religion , and how wrong they are in that

You may be surprised to know this, but that is not the only thing we work towards. In fact many of us just live perfectly ordinary lives full of love and friendship, and manage to get by extremely well without partaking in this 'grand atheist conspiracy' that theists seem to so enjoy spitting venom at the thought of. Do you have any idea how paranoid and pitiful you sound?
Also, what's wrong with trying to rid the world of laughably outdated belief systems that promotes bigotry, violence, sexual oppression, technological and social retardation, and a truly dangerous disregard for the actions you take in this life? What exaclty is so wrong with that?

yukapuka Wrote:if all of us together stopped believing in God our fate would be the same fate of the thousands of nations before us, we would suffer instant destruction from God and be all sent to hell permanently and we would deserve to be in the lowest pits of Hell for being so ungrateful to God after He has given us so much that other nations before us didnt even have 

...Wow. I see you saved the best till last. Holy shit. This is messed up on so many levels I scarcely know where to begin.
No. Our instant and total destruction would not happen by a deity throwing a hissy fit. You know why? Because God, Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, Ra, Jupiter, Taranis, Odin do not exist. They are ridiculous and sad fairy tales that grown-ass adults still haven't been able to shake off. There is not one sliver of evidence for their existence, and I highly doubt we will find any in the future.
As for us 'deserving to be sent to hell'...do you even read that back to yourself? Do you not see how utterly pitiable that is to read? I genuinely feel sorry for you, the world must be fucking terrifying for you to live in if you think that people with free will who do not believe in God deserve to burn in hell for ETERNITY. Also, do you not see how evil a god would have to be to condemn any of his children to eternal damnation? Forever. With no chance of forgiveness and no hope of escape. You will burn and scream and be in complete and utter agony FOREVER...because you didn't believe in God. Who gave you free will.
God does not exist. And if - if  he does, then he is one twisted son of a bitch.

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As for humans each having distinct fingerprints and such...that's mainly down to the imperfect replication process of DNA. Please, read a few science textbooks, you have an astonishing amount of catching up to do, it seems.

here is a video of a woman that gets healed by a christian healer (warning very graphic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoi9UeP1Lw

(April 6, 2015 at 12:10 pm)Spooky Wrote: According to Wikipedia: Terrorism :

Quote:Terrorism is commonly defined as violent acts (or the threat of violent acts) intended to create fear (terror), perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal, and which deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or ). 

Floods, murder of male children, stoning, slavery, etc... (threatening children with hell)
God seems to be the standard definition of terrorist.

Coming into this very late, but if I posted this on my FB wall, the biggest shitstorm of the century would hit the proverbial fan with some people I know. I'm in one of those rare moods that I'm half tempted to do it just to see a vast reduction in my friends list.

(April 7, 2015 at 12:52 am)yukapuka Wrote: here is a video of a woman that gets healed by a christian healer (warning very graphic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoi9UeP1Lw

That's nice.
Got any unbiased sources that can confirm the validity of the video? I urge you to present them if so.
Also, christian healer eh? Muslim healer videos a bit thin on the ground, were they? Ah well.

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(April 7, 2015 at 12:58 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 12:10 pm)Spooky Wrote: According to Wikipedia: Terrorism :




Floods, murder of male children, stoning, slavery, etc... (threatening children with hell)
God seems to be the standard definition of terrorist.

Coming into this very late, but if I posted this on my FB wall, the biggest shitstorm of the century would hit the proverbial fan with some people I know. I'm in one of those rare moods that I'm half tempted to do it just to see a vast reduction in my friends list.

Sounds like it would be a welcome reduction for me. Anyone in my life who would sever ties with me over something like that does not deserve my friendship or acquaintancy.
(Dooo iiiiit...)

(April 6, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I will be addressing this hopefully. I think it's a weak argument.

What is a weak argument?

God is not an elected politician. You cannot remove him from his position. You cannot have him impeached. You cannot change his laws. He does not need your permission to rule over you. He uses threats to keep you in line. At best he favors those who kiss his ass, but even then he still can do what he wants with you and still does not need your permission.. It is well documented in all three of those books what he does to dissent or sanctions his followers to do on his behalf. God is the very definition of a dictator.

Brian, you really should use what you said above in your sig line. It is PERFECT! I'd give you a million kudos for it, but alas, I can only give you one.

(April 7, 2015 at 12:58 am)Iroscato Wrote:

(April 7, 2015 at 12:52 am)yukapuka Wrote: here is a video of a woman that gets healed by a christian healer (warning very graphic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoi9UeP1Lw

That's nice.
Got any unbiased sources that can confirm the validity of the video? I urge you to present them if so.
Also, christian healer eh? Muslim healer videos a bit thin on the ground, were they? Ah well.

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(April 7, 2015 at 12:58 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: Coming into this very late, but if I posted this on my FB wall, the biggest shitstorm of the century would hit the proverbial fan with some people I know. I'm in one of those rare moods that I'm half tempted to do it just to see a vast reduction in my friends list.

Sounds like it would be a welcome reduction for me. Anyone in my life who would sever ties with me over something like that does not deserve my friendship or acquaintancy.
(Dooo iiiiit...)

unbiased source? honestly what are you blind? look at the video? the woman is covered in scars and scabs and littered with physical wounds, she vomits up pieces of flesh and whatever else came out of her, and she heals completely and visibly in days 

that guy that heals her T B Joshua has many other videos of him healing people with serious injuries, you can see them all , some have GREAT gashing wounds , visible cancers and so on etc

and furthermore 

look at your response how ignorant it is "...Muslim Healers abit thin on this..."

it just goes to show that no matter what is presented to you, you will deny it, fins some cheap and pathetic excuse because deep within you is seeded GREAT disbelief and denial of God that even if you were to see all of the miracles of the heavens you will deny it
Jesus said famously "i could heal the sick and raise the dead but i cannot make see the blind heart" 

and in the Quran it says 

"..Even if they(disbelievers) were to see all of the miracles they would still not believe.." and in the QUran God avises us believers not to even bother arguing with you 

"Do you wish to guide the one whom we have sent astray? And NEVER will you find guidance for them.."

i will show one more miracle which was recorded on vide and sen by hundred of thousand s of people more than once(including myself i have seen it with my own eyes and it was amazing) 

its called the miracle of the sun where a saintly person makes a miracle appear in front of people , she is also a christian saint, but i know still you will find some excuse to deny it, some cheap excuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YR6INkTK7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K8K5GFWFME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsDq_EP0mrA

(April 7, 2015 at 12:58 am)Iroscato Wrote:

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(April 7, 2015 at 12:58 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: Coming into this very late, but if I posted this on my FB wall, the biggest shitstorm of the century would hit the proverbial fan with some people I know. I'm in one of those rare moods that I'm half tempted to do it just to see a vast reduction in my friends list.

Sounds like it would be a welcome reduction for me. Anyone in my life who would sever ties with me over something like that does not deserve my friendship or acquaintancy.
(Dooo iiiiit...)

Believe me, after my post on Sunday about easter... I'm sure this won't get received any better. Maybe it's time to clean out/purge my life of those who would discard me in an instant for my views because they don't align with theirs.