If there's no evidence of an afterlife, the only thing that such a belief can be based on is this life here and now. But that gives us every reason to think such beliefs are false as there's no reason derived from the actual subject itself, the afterlife.

"If triangles had a God, he'd have three sides."

I see I have ended up repeating what this thread has already gone through (e.g., that if the endless afterlife is not 100% enjoyable, then one will at some point get bored and upset sufficiently to commit suicide, thereby rendering afterlife not, after all, endless; and if it's not endless to being with, then what comes in the after-afterlife?), so I'm signing off.

Have you learned anything datc? Do you still find the wager persuasive? Do you think it matters that you've failed to persuade a single person here by employing it?

An eternity of 100% enjoyable anything, 100% of the time, is going to become literally interminable. That's what makes living and experiences pertaining to that so generally enjoyable; the fact that they are fleeting, relatively speaking. The off switch was the single greatest invention in the Universe.

(April 12, 2015 at 7:47 pm)datc Wrote: I see I have ended up repeating what this thread has already gone through (e.g., that if the endless afterlife is not 100% enjoyable, then one will at some point get bored and upset sufficiently to commit suicide, thereby rendering afterlife not, after all, endless; and if it's not endless to being with, then what comes in the after-afterlife?), so I'm signing off.

What I love is that even your ridiculous premise has an arbitrary, unjustified assumption in it: who is to say that you even could commit suicide in the afterlife? You haven't said a single thing that hasn't relied on just assuming you're right without demonstration, datc.

(April 12, 2015 at 7:47 pm)datc Wrote: I see I have ended up repeating what this thread has already gone through (e.g., that if the endless afterlife is not 100% enjoyable, then one will at some point get bored and upset sufficiently to commit suicide, thereby rendering afterlife not, after all, endless; and if it's not endless to being with, then what comes in the after-afterlife?), so I'm signing off.

You should have signed off four pages ago for lacking the stones to address some crucial points put to you.

Rest assured if you ever wish to discuss Pascal's Wager again, I will raise my last, unanswered objection again.

Wow, so you still think an afterlife must be compatible with what you want from it, or it can't happen. You assume a lot.

(April 12, 2015 at 7:47 pm)datc Wrote: I see I have ended up repeating what this thread has already gone through (e.g., that if the endless afterlife is not 100% enjoyable, then one will at some point get bored and upset sufficiently to commit suicide, thereby rendering afterlife not, after all, endless; and if it's not endless to being with, then what comes in the after-afterlife?), so I'm signing off.

The initial conditions are irrelevant. There is nothing that will survive eternity as enjoyable. The 'new' wears off of everything eventually.

May this thread serve as a shining example of how theism is nothing more than childish wish-fulfillment. Now, and forever more.

(April 13, 2015 at 12:32 am)Iroscato Wrote: May this thread serve as a shining example of how theism is nothing more than childish wish-fulfillment. Now, and forever more.

^this and 

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