(April 29, 2015 at 8:17 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Esquilax Wrote: "I usually don't have to defend my religious views because tu coque fallacy!"

Because people exactly (and I do mean exactly) like yourself leave so many openings in your logic, I don't even have to bring up my religious views. For the amount of religious views I have actually expressed related to my post count, I could come off as closer to a secularist. The reason is because people (you in particular) don't stick by logic and reason or the academia you praise for possessing over the theists, so I never even have to introduce my beliefs let alone defend them.

Well, just so long as you continue to furnish precisely no details about that, I expect it'll be very easy for you to maintain your ill-gotten air of superiority.

(April 29, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 8:17 pm)Polaris Wrote: Because people exactly (and I do mean exactly) like yourself leave so many openings in your logic, I don't even have to bring up my religious views. For the amount of religious views I have actually expressed related to my post count, I could come off as closer to a secularist. The reason is because people (you in particular) don't stick by logic and reason or the academia you praise for possessing over the theists, so I never even have to introduce my beliefs let alone defend them.

Well, just so long as you continue to furnish precisely no details about that, I expect it'll be very easy for you to maintain your ill-gotten air of superiority.

I actually do present the academic details behind my points. You, on the other hand, use your emotions to dictate your points and almost never back up what you say with facts. Any air of superiority I have over you, any chump with a high school education also possesses.

If you actually took some time to study, you might actually come off as someone who knows what they are talking about instead of making comments our Republican politicians utter when pressed with the facts of Global Warming.

(April 29, 2015 at 9:23 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Well, just so long as you continue to furnish precisely no details about that, I expect it'll be very easy for you to maintain your ill-gotten air of superiority.

I actually do present the academic details behind my points. You, on the other hand, use your emotions to dictate your points and almost never back up what you say with facts. Any air of superiority I have over you, any chump with a high school education also possesses.

If you actually took some time to study, you might actually come off as someone who knows what they are talking about instead of making comments our Republican politicians utter when pressed with the facts of Global Warming.

If your points are about theism or your beliefs, then how are there any "academic details". Atheists do not have to "stick to values" or even defend themselves. Atheism consists of a very broad range of people who have different thoughts and perspectives. The only thing that most of us all agree on is that we do not believe in god(s). Some say they know that there is no god, some say that it can't be proven, and some even say that they do not care. Those three things and more fall under the umbrella that is atheism.

So, do not generalize us please, for we are all different people with different mindsets. But just to be clear, I guarantee that none of us believe in your magic daddy in the clouds.

(April 29, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Jericho Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 9:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: I actually do present the academic details behind my points. You, on the other hand, use your emotions to dictate your points and almost never back up what you say with facts. Any air of superiority I have over you, any chump with a high school education also possesses.

If you actually took some time to study, you might actually come off as someone who knows what they are talking about instead of making comments our Republican politicians utter when pressed with the facts of Global Warming.

If your points are about theism or your beliefs, then how are there any "academic details".  Atheists do not have to "stick to values" or even defend themselves.  Atheism consists of a very broad range of people who have different thoughts and perspectives.  The only thing that most of us all agree on is that we do not believe in god(s).  Some say they know that there is no god, some say that it can't be proven, and some even say that they do not care.  Those three things and more fall under the umbrella that is atheism.

So, do not generalize us please, for we are all different people with different mindsets.  But just to be clear, I guarantee that none of us believe in your magic daddy in the clouds.

The points I make any secularist who had even one class in Biblical studies (outside of Islam and paganism, I took a class on Hebrew Scriptures and the History of Ancient Israel....but only remember the latter as it was taught by Eric Cline). Frankly, I know more of the Bible than many theists because I was taught a lot of it by an atheist (well, he's kind of Jewish by birth).

My point is, if an atheist claims to value academia over theists, they should at least be knowledgeable about those academic values they lord over the theists. I notice the same hypocrisy from theists who claim family values when disparaging the liberals, yet cheat on their spouses or horde their money at the expense of the poor. I believe this causes the greatest harm to their respective camps.

I was pointing him out in particular. Most atheists I know act like everyone else, including the theists I know.

(April 29, 2015 at 10:24 pm)Polaris Wrote: My point is, if an atheist claims to value academia over theists, they should at least be knowledgeable about those academic values they lord over the theists. I notice the same hypocrisy from theists who claim family values when disparaging the liberals, yet cheat on their spouses or horde their money at the expense of the poor.

I was pointing him out in particular. Most atheists I now act like everyone else, including the theists I know.

Then excuse me for taking your words out of context. I didn't fully read into your posts or know the meaning behind them.

(April 29, 2015 at 5:43 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Again sorry for not being clear. Only when an atheist is making positive claims about other philosophical topics, like metaphysics, epistemology, or ethics, does he or she need to provide an alternate to god(s) that would satisfy an ultimate ground for being.

No, actually, we don't.  Why would we?  Does such a thing even exist? 

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(April 29, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Polaris Wrote: As for me, I usually don't have to defend my religious views (only when I have to justify my not eating blood) because the atheists I have encountered can't even stick to their own values.

When do you actually ever encounter this issue of eating blood?  And why is it a problem?

(April 25, 2015 at 8:52 pm)True Believer Wrote: A person with a life doesn't spend time on atheist forums to puff up their ego

And yet here you are!

Late to the party I know...

(April 29, 2015 at 9:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: I actually do present the academic details behind my points. You, on the other hand, use your emotions to dictate your points and almost never back up what you say with facts. Any air of superiority I have over you, any chump with a high school education also possesses.

If you actually took some time to study, you might actually come off as someone who knows what they are talking about instead of making comments our Republican politicians utter when pressed with the facts of Global Warming.

What the hell are you talking about? I routinely post citations to outside sources, where it's appropriate. You're just making shit up now.

(May 1, 2015 at 8:47 am)Chas Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 5:43 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Again sorry for not being clear. Only when an atheist is making positive claims about other philosophical topics, like metaphysics, epistemology, or ethics, does he or she need to provide an alternate to god(s) that would satisfy an ultimate ground for being.

No, actually, we don't.  Why would we?  Does such a thing even exist? 

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(April 29, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Polaris Wrote: As for me, I usually don't have to defend my religious views (only when I have to justify my not eating blood) because the atheists I have encountered can't even stick to their own values.

When do you actually ever encounter this issue of eating blood?  And why is it a problem?

I have a nice black pudding some Fridays when they do big breakfasts at work.
They are a tasty bloody treat.

(May 1, 2015 at 8:47 am)Chas Wrote: When do you actually ever encounter this issue of eating blood?  And why is it a problem?

I have friends who come from cultures where the consumption of blood is a regular part of their diet (or at least was historically) and they order blood dishes when we go out for dinner. They question my reasons why I won't even try a bite of the dish.

Esquilax. Prove you actually back up your bullshit.