(June 7, 2015 at 5:06 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Then you were mistaken. I read at night before going to bed.

Funny dimension you're living in. You're night was about one hour long. That's about the time to post in the other thread to have to do some reading before replying until coming back here to say you already did so before going to bed. Give or take 30 minutes.

Which only proves rexbecca's point.

Wow. Major fail.

Go back and re-read the posts.

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(June 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 15, 2015 at 5:11 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I'm a Catholic. You have questions. Let's get started.

The Pope is a big believer in demons.  He has a squad of demon chasers.  As a Catholic have you ever observed anyone who has actually been possessed by demon creatures?

No, but I have read some interesting accounts including the recent one in Indiana from last year.

I don't know if there have been any recent updates to that story, but you can Google it.

(June 7, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 5:06 pm)abaris Wrote: Funny dimension you're living in. You're night was about one hour long. That's about the time to post in the other thread to have to do some reading before replying until coming back here to say you already did so before going to bed. Give or take 30 minutes.

Which only proves rexbecca's point.

Wow. Major fail.

Go back and re-read the posts.

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(June 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Pope is a big believer in demons.  He has a squad of demon chasers.  As a Catholic have you ever observed anyone who has actually been possessed by demon creatures?

No, but I have read some interesting accounts including the recent one in Indiana from last year.

I don't know if there have been any recent updates to that story, but you can Google it.

Demons don't exist but mental health issue do exist. 

(June 7, 2015 at 7:27 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 5:10 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: 52 pages, can't be bothered to read all, why are people hostile on this thread?

I'm curious too.  I think team Atheist thinks they are behaving like reasonable people, and Randy the crazed inappropriate person.  But it's not coming off that way at all.  At least to me, as an uninvested party.  I assume the theory of all this from Randy's perspective is that, to lurkers, he appears to be a polite adult getting endlessly attacked by petty atheists.   And if you're on the fence, do you want to associate with the polite adult or the teenagers throwing a fit (in terms of appearance).  

It's sort of interesting to watch.

Have some popcorn. 

We gotta lot of episodes of this show still to come.

(June 7, 2015 at 9:00 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 7:27 pm)wallym Wrote: I'm curious too.  I think team Atheist thinks they are behaving like reasonable people, and Randy the crazed inappropriate person.  But it's not coming off that way at all.  At least to me, as an uninvested party.  I assume the theory of all this from Randy's perspective is that, to lurkers, he appears to be a polite adult getting endlessly attacked by petty atheists.   And if you're on the fence, do you want to associate with the polite adult or the teenagers throwing a fit (in terms of appearance).  

It's sort of interesting to watch.

Have some popcorn. 

We gotta lot of episodes of this show still to come.

I await with baited fucking breath...

(June 7, 2015 at 9:00 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Have some popcorn. 

We gotta lot of episodes of this show still to come.

Well I wish you'd get on with it. For a start, how about answering the direct question I asked you yesterday, instead of chewing popcorn at me?

(June 7, 2015 at 5:17 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 5:10 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: 52 pages, can't be bothered to read all, why are people hostile on this thread?

Some are hostile for good reason, and some are just irritated as hell. When people ask straight questions, they deserve honesty. People that are religious don’t want to answer honestly or logically, instead they point their fingers at doctrine or holy books, and try to interpret and warp words as much as possible to desperately defend their precious, moronic beliefs. Why do you believe them?  uhhh cuzz its written in a book that someone told me that was the word of god duhhh uhhhh.

I will be happy to respond to any honest question you ask me with an honest answer. Even if the answer is, "I don't know...but I'll get back to you."

(June 7, 2015 at 9:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 7, 2015 at 5:17 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: Some are hostile for good reason, and some are just irritated as hell. When people ask straight questions, they deserve honesty. People that are religious don’t want to answer honestly or logically, instead they point their fingers at doctrine or holy books, and try to interpret and warp words as much as possible to desperately defend their precious, moronic beliefs. Why do you believe them?  uhhh cuzz its written in a book that someone told me that was the word of god duhhh uhhhh.

I will be happy to respond to any honest question you ask me with an honest answer. Even if the answer is, "I don't know...but I'll get back to you."

C'mon Randy. I think you've already proven that if the answer is "I don't know." that you'll spin, twist, lie and cheat to avoid giving an honest answer.

(June 7, 2015 at 9:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote: For a start, how about answering the direct question I asked you yesterday, instead of chewing popcorn at me?

“Let us then examine the point, and say, ‘God is , or He is not.’ But to which side shall we incline? Reason can decide nothing here. There is an infinite chaos which separated us. A game is being played at the extremity of this infinite distance where heads or tails will turn up. What will you wager?” (Blaise Pascal, Pensees, 233)

I don’t think you’re really asking me which is the right direction, Stimbo. In our hearts, we all know what is right and what is wrong because we were created in the image of God who is not merely good but who is Goodness itself.

He has planted an understanding of these things deep within us and we cannot shake free from it. We also have the capacity to choose between good and evil, right and wrong, because He gave us a conscience which feels the happiness of a choice well-made but also informs us by the pangs of guilt we feel over a poor choice.

You know these things because this is how you were made, Stimbo. But the question remains as to how you will choose to live. 

Sure, there are lots of religions and lots of arguments, but you are no stranger to them all; you know the evidence and the choice before you: either Christianity is true or nothing is.

The clock of your lifetime is running, and you must make your choice. 

1. If God does not exist, and you do not believe He exists, you lose nothing.
2. If God does not exist, and you believe He does, you lose nothing.

Not bad.  But there’s more:

3. If God exists, and you do not believe He exists, you lose all.
4. If God exists, and you believe He does, you win everything.

Where will you place your wager?

If atheists are correct (1 & 2), then nothing you do can cause you any loss. However, if Christians are correct (3 & 4), and you guess wrong, you lose all. 

Only by believing as a Christian are you guaranteed not only that you will never suffer loss, but that you will possibly enjoy infinite gain.

So, what is the right direction for you, Stimbo? 

It is to move in the direction of faith in Jesus Christ.

Pascal's Wager? You can't be serious.

If there were a god, would it not know that one was just playing the odds?