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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 23, 2015 at 12:58 am
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(June 22, 2015 at 10:34 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (June 21, 2015 at 11:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It was never ok for those people to do that. They acted wrongly, and against Catholic doctrine.
But isn't the pope infallible when it comes to church doctrine?
People often think that "papal infallibility" means the pope is a perfect person who never does or says anything wrong. This is far from the case.
Popes are infallible only on matters of faith and morals, and only when they announce that they are speaking infallibly for the Church.
^This has only happened about a dozen times in the last 2000 years, if that. Last time it happened was in the 1950's. The time before that was in the 1800's. It's a rare thing.
To address the point, burning heretics was never Church dogma. It was a personal choice made by some of the Catholic people of the time.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 23, 2015 at 1:18 am
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(June 23, 2015 at 12:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Popes are infallible only on matters of faith and morals, and only when they announce that they are speaking infallibly for the Church.
I hate to break the news to you, kid ... but they're fallible humans even under those circumstances.
Sorry to bust your bubble.
(June 23, 2015 at 12:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To address the point, burning heretics was never Church dogma. It was a personal choice made by some of the Catholic people of the time.
Gosh, you'd think that someone who'd accepted Jesus into their heart would have more love in their hearts. I mean, that's what you say he was about.
Call me crazy, but lighting the tinder-pile under another human just doesn't seem very loving. How could such hateful people be inspired by such a loving god?
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 23, 2015 at 1:31 am
(June 23, 2015 at 1:18 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 12:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To address the point, burning heretics was never Church dogma. It was a personal choice made by some of the Catholic people of the time.
Gosh, you'd think that someone who'd accepted Jesus into their heart would have more love in their hearts. I mean, that's what you say he was about.
Call me crazy, but lighting the tinder-pile under another human just doesn't seem very loving. How could such hateful people be inspired by such a loving god?
I agree. Unfortunately, being Catholic doesn't automatically make someone a good person.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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(June 23, 2015 at 1:31 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 23, 2015 at 1:18 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Gosh, you'd think that someone who'd accepted Jesus into their heart would have more love in their hearts. I mean, that's what you say he was about.
Call me crazy, but lighting the tinder-pile under another human just doesn't seem very loving. How could such hateful people be inspired by such a loving god?
I agree. Unfortunately, being Catholic doesn't automatically make someone a good person.
Well isn't that just the understatement of the century lol.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 7:42 pm
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I vote you for to be the hot pope lady/
but I would first ask what they did before I put the fire out.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 9:47 pm
I believe that every living thing has value. Some living things are more valuable than others.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 9:53 pm
(June 27, 2015 at 7:42 pm)comet Wrote: I vote you for to be the hot pope lady/
but I would first ask what they did before I put the fire out.
Obviously they gave the wrong answer to the god question.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 10:19 pm
(June 23, 2015 at 1:31 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Unfortunately, being Catholic doesn't automatically make someone a good person.
How "good" do you consider yourself to be? How would you describe yourself on a number line from
0= Satan at his worst to 100= Jesus at his best?
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 27, 2015 at 10:59 pm
(June 21, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you, as atheists, believe that human life has inherent value?
To anybody or anything besides another human? No. That would make any value not inherent.
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RE: Does human life have INHERENT value?
June 28, 2015 at 1:37 am
Using the word inherent feels like a precursor to the abortion issue. May be wrong, just skeptical.
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