I don't think I've ever met anyone who was angry at god. It's like being angry at Voldemort. Yeah, he's an evil twat but he's not real so who gives a fuck?

(July 11, 2015 at 10:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 9:31 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It's simple, so I understand why you wouldn't get it: if we see that god exists, that alone is not a reason to accept him as our lord and superior.

You've gotten one thing right...it IS simple. A being who created the universe out of nothing and to who you owe your whole existence, IS reason alone to accept him as your "lord and superior" (the two are synonymous). Add to that, the fact that he was willing to take on human form and suffer horribly, so that he could adopt you as a son and sit with him in his throne, is even more reason to accept him as your (lord and superior).

Are you saying that you never considered your parents as your superior? How are they somehow more worthy of being your superior than God?

(July 11, 2015 at 9:31 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The authority that you grant him is not some automatic assumption that's going to pop into our head the moment we're given sufficient evidence of existence. No, that authority will be conferred based on consideration of his actions, goals and beliefs, and if we're to take the bible as an accurate representation of these, then we simply cannot allow god that authority over our lives based on our consciences. It would be wrong, according to my, and the others', morals to do so.

Authority is not in your power to grant God. Either he has authority / power or he doesn't, regardless of his "actions, goals and beliefs".

If a guy walks up to you points a gun in your face and asks for your wallet.... he's the one with the authority because he has power over life and death. The smart move would be to give him the wallet, because if you don't he'll just shoot you in the face and take it anyway.

So whether or not you believe God is "good" or "evil" is irrelevant. As the scripture says

so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:10

Your only choice is where you bend the knee, heaven or hell... either way, you WILL acknowledge God as superior.

(July 11, 2015 at 9:31 pm)Esquilax Wrote: See, it's a bottom up process, ascertaining what role this god plays in reality, and to us personally: existence, then attributes, then the nature of our relationship going forward. You can't assume the latter two stages without the first, and all three stages require due consideration and may, in fact, produce conclusions that differ from your own. You seem to be blaming us for not, as you have done, operating backwards, by deciding on the relationship first, cooking the books so that the attributes are consistent with that relationship, and then just assuming existence.

The above shows why your reasoning is flawed.

You're a twisted fuck, Huggy, and I can honestly say that I despise you more than any other creationist I've ever interacted with, but I have to give credit where it's due. Your little criminal analogy is just spot on. Your god is just like a criminal with a gun to your head. 

"Love me or burn motherfucker."

Good on you to worship such a steaming pile of dogshit. 

(July 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: You're a twisted fuck, Huggy, and I can honestly say that I despise you more than any other creationist I've ever interacted with, but I have to give credit where it's due. Your little criminal analogy is just spot on. Your god is just like a criminal with a gun to your head. 

"Love me or burn motherfucker."

Good on you to worship such a steaming pile of dogshit. 

Nah, you burn for the sins you commit and never repent of...

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. - Revelation 22:14-15

So unless you haven't ever done any of the above, you have no right to complain.

*edit*
Angry Athiest #2 exposed..

(July 11, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: You're a twisted fuck, Huggy, and I can honestly say that I despise you more than any other creationist I've ever interacted with, but I have to give credit where it's due. Your little criminal analogy is just spot on. Your god is just like a criminal with a gun to your head. 

"Love me or burn motherfucker."

Good on you to worship such a steaming pile of dogshit. 

Nah, you burn for the sins you commit and never repent of...

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. - Revelation 22:14-15

So unless you never done any of the above, you have no right to complain.

I've got plenty of right. Might doesn't make right in my book; I don't believe your god exists, but if he did I sure as fuck wouldn't recognize him as my lord and master. It's an ethics thing. Just because someone/thing has the power to hurt you doesn't mean you have to worship them.

Edit: You presume a lot don't you? Angry on a hypothetical level. Goddamn you're a moron.

(July 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 3:44 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Who's mad at god, Randy?

I name some names, they deny it, I look stupid...

Nah. Not gonna do it.

Just take off your atheist-colored glasses and read the posts without bias. You'll see.

Typical of a religious nut to make a claim then fail miserably to provide proof when asked. You are so predictable.

(July 11, 2015 at 8:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Didn't see Minimalists response?

It's your book, fuckhead.  I didn't write it.

Your god is a scumbag but since I see no evidence for your god existing the problem is why are you so eager to embrace a petty, vain, miserable cocksucker like yahweh?  The problem is people like you...not your fantasies.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: "Love me or burn motherfucker."

Nah, you burn for the sins you commit and never repent of...

Please note, not for the first time, Huggy would like to draw our attention to his fundamentalist reading of the bible.  Boring.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: I've got plenty of right. Might doesn't make right in my book; I don't believe your god exists, but if he did I sure as fuck wouldn't recognize him as my lord and master. It's an ethics thing. Just because someone/thing has the power to hurt you doesn't mean you have to worship them.

Ethics? The only reason you have any sense of morality is because that's what you were brought up in a society based on law and order. Remove the law from society and access to basic needs, and watch people kill each other in the streets over a scrap of food.

Moses gave the Hebrews the law to show that the Law couldn't be kept due to human nature. Jesus's purpose was to change human nature to into Love (agape). Love is the only Law, if everyone truly loved their fellow man, their would be no need for law.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Edit: You presume a lot don't you? Angry on a hypothetical level. Goddamn you're a moron.

You're a twisted fuck, Huggy, and I can honestly say that I despise you more than any other creationist I've ever interacted with - Starvald Demelain
So that comment was just hypothetical?

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. - John 15:18-19

(July 11, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: I've got plenty of right. Might doesn't make right in my book; I don't believe your god exists, but if he did I sure as fuck wouldn't recognize him as my lord and master. It's an ethics thing. Just because someone/thing has the power to hurt you doesn't mean you have to worship them.

Ethics? The only reason you have any sense of morality is because that's what you were brought up in a society based on law and order. Remove the law from society and access to basic needs, and watch people kill each other in the streets over a scrap of food.

Moses gave the Hebrews the law to show that the Law couldn't be kept due to human nature. Jesus's propose was to change human nature to into Love (agape). Love is the only Law, if everyone truly loved their fellow man, their would be no need for law.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Edit: You presume a lot don't you? Angry on a hypothetical level. Goddamn you're a moron.

You're a twisted fuck, Huggy, and I can honestly say that I despise you more than any other creationist I've ever interacted with - Starvald Demelain
So that comment was just hypothetical?

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. - John 15:18-19

Oh no, that wasn't but that has nothing to do with your god. Are you really trying to make it out like "Angry atheist #2" wasn't a reference to your bullshit attempt to help Randy out? God you're so damn see-through. 

For the record; I despise you. I'm not angry, it's more of a feeling of disgust. If you can't grasp the difference then that's on you.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Typical of a religious nut to make a claim then fail miserably to provide proof when asked. You are so predictable.

Really? Religious people don't have a monopoly on that one, or did you forget all the people claiming I was dishonest / lying, and after being asked for just one example, failed to provide any.