(July 13, 2015 at 11:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: I win, you lose!  

You win nothing. I only hope we're both alive when the time comes, so that I can laugh at your face while they're landing.

I relevant article some of you might be interested in: FERMI PARADOX

He talks about the probability of life on another planet, the probability of that life being as intelligent or waaayyyy more intelligent than us, and some theories for why we have not heard from them yet.

Here's an excerpt:

"As many stars as there are in our galaxy (100 – 400 billion), there are roughly an equal number of galaxies in the observable universe—so for every star in the colossal Milky Way, there’s a whole galaxy out there. All together, that comes out to the typically quoted range of between 1022 and 1024 total stars, which means that for every grain of sand on every beach on Earth, there are 10,000 stars out there."

I find it hard to believe that with chances that great, there is no other life out there. But it gets more interesting when he goes on to explain the theories of why we haven't heard from them.

If anyone finds time to read the article, tell me what you think!

Look at the bottom of page 3. Vorlon, Chuck and myself talk about that. Chuck and I have a low opinion of the assumptions made by the so-called Fermi Paradox.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:34 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Look at the bottom of page 3. Vorlon, Chuck and myself talk about that. Chuck and I have a low opinion of the assumptions made by the so-called Fermi Paradox.

Ah, yes. He touched on the exact point you made:

"Possibility 3) The entire concept of physical colonization is a hilariously backward concept to a more advanced species. Remember the picture of the Type II Civilization above with the sphere around their star? With all that energy, they might have created a perfect environment for themselves that satisfies their every need. They might have crazy-advanced ways of reducing their need for resources and zero interest in leaving their happy utopia to explore the cold, empty, undeveloped universe.

An even more advanced civilization might view the entire physical world as a horribly primitive place, having long ago conquered their own biology and uploaded their brains to a virtual reality, eternal-life paradise. Living in the physical world of biology, mortality, wants, and needs might seem to them the way we view primitive ocean species living in the frigid, dark sea. FYI, thinking about another life form having bested mortality makes me incredibly jealous and upset."

Personally, I think we haven't encountered them simply because the universe it THAT BIG. Perhaps they are "god like," in terms of how advanced they are, but even then, the universe is so big that even for a god like creature there would be a very small chance of ending up anywhere around our vicinity, let alone our specific little planet out of the huge amounts that are out there.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: FYI, thinking about another life form having bested mortality makes me incredibly jealous and upset."

Well, get used to it because that has almost certainly happened. I doubt our own civilization is any more than a few hundred years from it.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally, I think we haven't encountered them simply because the universe it THAT BIG. Perhaps they are "god like," in terms of how advanced they are, but even then, the universe is so big that even for a god like creature there would be a very small chance of ending up anywhere around our vicinity, let alone our specific little planet out of the huge amounts that are out there.

You should go back and re-read Fermi's Paradox. The whole point he makes is that it's NOT that big. A single technological civilization could colonize an entire galaxy in a relatively short time - if they desired to.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:55 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally, I think we haven't encountered them simply because the universe it THAT BIG. Perhaps they are "god like," in terms of how advanced they are, but even then, the universe is so big that even for a god like creature there would be a very small chance of ending up anywhere around our vicinity, let alone our specific little planet out of the huge amounts that are out there.

You should go back and re-read Fermi's Paradox. The whole point he makes is that it's NOT that big. A single technological civilization could colonize an entire galaxy in a relatively short time - if they desired to.

Oh I know. I'm not saying I agree with FP. I mean, it could be legit, but I definitely have my doubts.

Over 100 billion galaxies, each with more than 100 billion stars, and an untold number of planets... of course there is other life in the universe.

So far, we have found 2000 extra-solar planets just in out galactic neighborhood. Stars with planets seem to the default, not the exception.

This is one of the latest finds -

Kepler-186f

A terrestial planet, almost the exact same size as earth, in the habital zone.

(July 15, 2015 at 2:22 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Over 100 billion galaxies, each with more than 100 billion stars, and an untold number of planets... of course there is other life in the universe.

So far, we have found 2000 extra-solar planets just in out galactic neighborhood. Stars with planets seem to the default, not the exception.

This is one of the latest finds -

Kepler-186f

A terrestial planet, almost the exact same size as earth, in the habital zone.

Yes, this article says:

"there are 100 Earth-like planets for every grain of sand in the world."

I can't even imagine how much that is, but it definitely makes for a good argument in favor of extra terrestrial life.

(July 15, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 2:22 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Over 100 billion galaxies, each with more than 100 billion stars, and an untold number of planets... of course there is other life in the universe.

So far, we have found 2000 extra-solar planets just in out galactic neighborhood. Stars with planets seem to the default, not the exception.

This is one of the latest finds -

Kepler-186f

A terrestial planet, almost the exact same size as earth, in the habital zone.

Yes, this article says:

"there are 100 Earth-like planets for every grain of sand in the world."

I can't even imagine how much that is, but it definitely makes for a good argument in favor of extra terrestrial life.

Which brings up some interesting questions. Lets say that a small % of those earth like planets have intelligent life.

Has the tribal war god of the Hebrews, Yahweh, visited all of them?

Are they also subject to original sin?

Did Jesus die for them too?

Let me know your thoughts.

(July 15, 2015 at 3:23 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, this article says:

"there are 100 Earth-like planets for every grain of sand in the world."

I can't even imagine how much that is, but it definitely makes for a good argument in favor of extra terrestrial life.

Which brings up some interesting questions. Lets say that a small % of those earth like planets have intelligent life.

Has the tribal war god of the Hebrews, Yahweh, visited all of them?

Are they also subject to original sin?

Did Jesus die for them too?

Let me know your thoughts.

I have thought about this myself too.

I personally have no problem believing that Jesus may have died a million deaths.... all in different planets. Why not? If I believe God is completely limitless, then the thought of such a thing shouldn't phase me.

With that being said, I would still say they all differ. Even though I believe God has made His mark in one way or another in all planets containing intelligent life with free will, I wouldn't say everything played out the same way with Him needing to make himself into one of them and dying for them, etc. Perhaps they each have their own unique story and relationship to God.