Quote:who promised the same land to two different people ? Who started the whole issue so that both sides are now at war?

The fucking U.N. if I recall correctly.

(July 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think the answer lies partially in reality of unseen dark forces................

Wtf is wrong with you........?

Hmph.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/1...1A20150717

Quote:Islamic State claims suicide car bomb that kills more than 100 in Iraq

Business as usual.

(July 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think the answer lies partially in reality of unseen dark forces. In which way can they misguide some people over others, and what kind of misguidance they want on each people.

And there is extra effort in gathering people who cling to the Quran in words, but are devoid of it's spirit, to misguide rest of humanity.

Shortly after the Prophet's death, they rallied against his successor, his daughter, and ended up killing his grandson. This while the wage of the message is to love the family of Mohammad. This is while they are blessed in Salah.

There is unseen dark forces at work.

This is my opinion.

So you're admitting religion brings out the crazy in people?

(July 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm)Muad·Dib Wrote: So you're admitting religion brings out the crazy in people?

Religion for the sake of religion brings about the worse of people and even if not, is evil regardless. That's why Islam condemns people wanting other then the submission as a religion. Because religion aside from what it makes people do is evil in itself except that which is done purely out of submission to the light. 

The people in love with "Islam" as a religion and act for their religion, as opposed to pure love of God's light (family of Mohammad), are devoid of the word of guarding and piety.

 With "Muslims" you have people love "Islam", and then you have people who are in love with God and his chosen friends, and their spirits don't submit simply outwardly in obedience, but inwardly are in love and in awe of God and are attracted to the sacred spirit of God's Vicegerents.


The thing is with "Islam", there is as much distortions, misunderstanding, and corruption, as almost any other religion.  However, the spirits that don't love religion for sake of religion, but love religion purely for God, would submit to his chosen ones, and be guided by a light from him.

Religion all in all is evil, and the true religion, comes to take people away from their fanatic devotion to their religion and blind following. If you want to see examples of how Quran describes how religion leads people astray, read Suratal Ana'aam (6th chapter).

So they're just not real Muslims?

(July 17, 2015 at 11:04 pm)Muad·Dib Wrote: So they're just not real Muslims?

They're Muslims in the general meaning of the word. They just aren't in another sense of the word (truly submitting to the path God has chosen for them).

(July 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm)Muad·Dib Wrote: So you're admitting religion brings out the crazy in people?

Religion capitalizes on the crazy in people.
I'm going to pin it on too many people on the planet.
Particularly the bachelor herd of frustrated early post adolescent males.
And male preference in south Asia isn't helping the problem.

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/15/2/gpr150218.html

Quote:At the macro level, the results of entrenched son preference are highly skewed national sex ratios, which in turn can have decidedly negative social consequences—again, largely for women and girls. Societies with heavily lopsided sex ratios may face a dearth of women for marriage, which could increase the likelihood of coerced marriages or bride abduction, trafficking of women and girls, and rape and other violence against women and girls. A large cohort of young, single men may lead to more crime-ridden, violent communities and general societal insecurity, especially in cultures where social standing is closely connected with marital status and fatherhood.

(July 17, 2015 at 11:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 17, 2015 at 11:04 pm)Muad·Dib Wrote: So they're just not real Muslims?

They're Muslims in the general meaning of the word. They just aren't in another sense of the word (truly submitting to the path God has chosen for them).

With all due respect, that's incredibly convenient. The fallacy retroactively redefines what a "real Muslim" is in an attempt to protect the ingroup from criticism. IOW, it's a continual moving of the goal post to protect your belief set from criticism, as opposed to simply admitting how poisonous and dangerous extremism in religion (including Islam) can be.

Wouldn't it be better to take extremists head on instead of making excuses to separate yourself via semantics? Don't complain about the crazy people Islam breeds, fix it.

(July 17, 2015 at 11:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: ...and be guided by a light from him.

Does this mean god turns himself on?