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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 10:36 am
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(July 20, 2015 at 10:18 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: I know. Like I think gun nutters who think of the 2nd amendment as giving every US citizen a way to express their disapproval of the government by shooting someone are a little over the top. Now I know that will rub Rhythm the wrong way but that's okay. He'd shoot anyone who tried to fuck with my right to criticize him. That is the kind of tough hided, open discussion we like to have around here.
-them, their mama, and all her bridge playin friends.......
On an only -slightly- more serious note - that's a portion of who I am and what I hold to that I never try to justify, don't care to - and it's the closest experience I have to how I view the religious beliefs of others. If somebody finds cause to criticze what I;ve done or what I'm willing to do in service of -that-.....I'm not going to waste my time trying to argue that I'm right for it, I can accept that my motivations in this have nothing to do with right and wrong, and there's just no requirement, in me or for me, to be right in order for that conviction to compel me to action.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:06 am
So a theist who embraced their own kinks is an equally unapologetic manner would probably get hassled less.
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:22 am
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By me, yeah. I can't make any guarantees for the rest of you fuckers...... 
As an example-
"Rhythm, you're a violent cunt willing to do the most final harm to your fellow man"
-Oh hail oh hail oh infantry, Queen of Battle follow me.....
"X, you're a cowering sycophant who bows in order to avoid your justly deserved fate"
-The heart wants what the heart wants.
Well played sirs, well played.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:25 am
(July 20, 2015 at 4:34 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you know that making fun of someone's beliefs to their face hurts their feelings, and you do it anyway, then you don't care about their feelings. And if you don't care about a person's feelings, I don't know how you can say you care about them. 
Well, let's say your beliefs hurt my feelings. Whatever the fuck now? Stop having beliefs, you heartless monster? Thicker skin is advised.
Ideas are not sacred, and they don't deserve to be, otherwise we're heading straight towards totalitarianism. Or, you know, religion. If you can't stand having your beliefs scrutinized, keep them to yourself.
If my beliefs hurt your feelings, then I won't talk about them in front of you.
And like I said in another post, if you truly think one of your friend's beliefs is harmful, I would advice you to sit down with them, and in a respectful conversation, tell them your concerns... and do so just one time. Bugging someone about it over and over again is not your place. And making fun of them to your friend's face, is just rude.
It really is that simple.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:26 am
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All hail the lawgiver, coming down from Mt. Cathol with her tablets to tell us our place....yet again.
So...how many times do -you- plan on telling -us- this concern of yours...before you follow your own sage advice.....?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:27 am
(July 20, 2015 at 1:06 am)Rhythm Wrote: Hey look, a catholic telling me what my place is......while shitposting about pretend feelings and imagined harrassment. How unsurprising. Personally, I'd prefer to see the catholics of the world cease to be disgusting. Just doing my part.
Do you really think it's your business to keep bothering your friend about her beliefs all the time? If you feel the need, do it once. After that, leave it alone.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:29 am
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I think it's my business about as much and as often as you clearly think it's yours. This shouldn't be difficult to grasp......we're comrades-in-arms, you and I, on this count.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:31 am
(July 20, 2015 at 1:07 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: I guess the biggest stumbling block in giving you what you're asking, Cath-y, is that this is precisely where most of us go to vent about religion. Any place else and I'm not in to it. If people enjoyed mocking religion before you arrived, and who among us has not laughed at Bill Maher doing just that, you can't expect them to stop now that you're here, right?
It is one thing to do something because you want to hurt someone versus wanting to do a thing and realizing that might happen. In RL I don't make too many sacrifices for other people's feelings. If we disagree or what they want and I want is incompatible, I don't think I owe it to anyone to sacrifice what I want.
I'm not talking about HERE, whateverist. And I'm not even talking about me specifically. I never said anything about people making fun of religion here.
I'm talking about in real life, to the face of a real life friend. And this conversation all started when Rhythm asked me about a religious friend of his.
This is the problem with these online discussions. People don't read the conversations thoroughly and then start assuming I'm saying things I'm not actually saying lol. It's very frustrating.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:32 am
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lol....Cath.....-you're- the religious friend of mine, that I was discussing.....in case it flew over your head entirely, wasn't a particularly covert implication either. Here you are, criticizing others for not reading a discussion thoroughly.......delicious.
The long and short of it, friend, is that you're creating a taboo for beliefs which you're clearly not willing to extend elsewhere -as evidenced in this very thread-. This is, if you've never had the chance to hear it opined upon...one of the things about religious faith and religious people that irks many atheists deeply. You might even call it -offensive-.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 11:35 am
(July 20, 2015 at 1:30 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If we were friends, I would expect you not to be making fun of my beliefs to my face (which is making fun of me). This is just common human decency you learn about in kindergarten.
How is making fun of your beliefs making fun of you? Is being catholic that central to your identity that you have none without it?
This is a good question, and this is what I think a lot of people here don't understand. Yes, a person's religious beliefs, if they are devout, is a HUGE part of who they are.
It's basically like saying, "I'm not making fun of you, just making fun of your most core values and principles, what you stand for, and the things you hold most dear in your heart."
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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