atheism and children

[abaris]

But that is not what Catholicism teaches, and I personally think it's simply God letting nature take its coarse. That includes diseases, accidents, disorders, etc. I don't believe God functions as a micromanager.

It's interesting that you make a distinction between nature and god. I'm not up to scratch anymore as far as catholic dogma is concerned, but according to many christians, nature is god's creation and since they believe in a perfect god, nature has to be perfect too.

Not my belief obviously, but the impression I'm getting from reading christian arguments.

[Catholic_Lady]

But that is not what Catholicism teaches, and I personally think it's simply God letting nature take its coarse. That includes diseases, accidents, disorders, etc. I don't believe God functions as a micromanager.

It's interesting that you make a distinction between nature and god. I'm not up to scratch anymore as far as catholic dogma is concerned, but according to many christians, nature is god's creation and since they believe in a perfect god, nature has to be perfect too.

Not my belief obviously, but the impression I'm getting from reading christian arguments.

Well then people would have to be perfect too, lol. And we all know that's not true.

Never seen that argument before.

[abaris]

Never seen that argument before.

Often seen here in one way or the other. Often used to justify the morality of - let's say - the more excentric parts of the bible.

[Catholic_Lady]

Never seen that argument before.

Often seen here in one way or the other. Often used to justify the morality of - let's say - the more excentric parts of the bible.

Interesting...

[Pyrrho]

If creating life were so sacred, God wouldn't fuck it up all the time for so many people. Infertility, miscarriages, doesn't look very sacred to me.

Some Christians will say to punish people.

But that is not what Catholicism teaches, and I personally think it's simply God letting nature take its coarse. That includes diseases, accidents, disorders, etc. I don't believe God functions as a micromanager.

That means that god is evil.  If he has the power to stop such things, without risk to himself, and chooses not to do so, he is responsible for it.  (Not to mention the fact that if he created the world in the first place, he is totally responsible for everything that naturally occurs as a result of his creation.)  You worship a cruel, heartless bastard.

[Catholic_Lady]

Some Christians will say to punish people.

But that is not what Catholicism teaches, and I personally think it's simply God letting nature take its coarse. That includes diseases, accidents, disorders, etc. I don't believe God functions as a micromanager.

That means that god is evil.  If he has the power to stop such things, without risk to himself, and chooses not to do so, he is responsible for it.  (Not to mention the fact that if he created the world in the first place, he is totally responsible for everything that naturally occurs as a result of his creation.)  You worship a cruel, heartless bastard.

Ah, gotcha.

[Kingpin]

Some Christians will say to punish people.

But that is not what Catholicism teaches, and I personally think it's simply God letting nature take its coarse. That includes diseases, accidents, disorders, etc. I don't believe God functions as a micromanager.

That means that god is evil.  If he has the power to stop such things, without risk to himself, and chooses not to do so, he is responsible for it.  (Not to mention the fact that if he created the world in the first place, he is totally responsible for everything that naturally occurs as a result of his creation.)  You worship a cruel, heartless bastard.

You must certainly understand the Christian belief that we live in a fallen world as a direct result of the original sin.

What's more important to point out is that you call God evil. On what basis? Your own? You cannot call anything evil without invoking a personal moral authority of which you say does not exist.

[Exian]

Personal morality exists and it's largely based on a social contract. It's objective morality that doesn't exist.

[Kingpin]

Personal morality exists and it's largely based on a social contract. It's objective morality that doesn't exist.

And if that's true then he is only calling God evil on his own moral standard or claiming moral superiority. Quite often I see others judging God and quite plainly they could do better or would do it differently. Pretty bold statements. Anyone here want one of us to be God?

If you claim no objective morality, there are only three options left. Moral subjectivism, moral relativism and moral nihilism.

In any of those you cannot logically make statements like:

Rape is wrong
Hitler and Stalin were wrong
Kindness is a virtue
Cruelty is a vice
Its wrong to drown a baby in a bathtub for entertainment

These statements cannot be made sense out of without objective morality or would you care to say these are a matter of opinion or societal norms?

[Excited Penguin]

That means that god is evil.  If he has the power to stop such things, without risk to himself, and chooses not to do so, he is responsible for it.  (Not to mention the fact that if he created the world in the first place, he is totally responsible for everything that naturally occurs as a result of his creation.)  You worship a cruel, heartless bastard.

You must certainly understand the Christian belief that we live in a fallen world as a direct result of the original sin.

What's more important to point out is that you call God evil. On what basis?  Your own?  You cannot call anything evil without invoking a personal moral authority of which you say does not exist.

We call things evil because of our evolutionary instincts, not anything else. "God", in this case, while still being nothing more but the most unfortunate fictional character in the history of literature, is evil because he's supposed to be omnipotent yet people die and life isn't perfect. It's that easy.