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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 9:16 am
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(August 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (August 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm)Alex K Wrote: 1. There is no such thing as an "evolutionary purpose". I gather the author made the term up?
I wonder what the author would say the 'evolutionary purpose' is for homosexuality among: male lions, male bison, female penguins, male dolphins, male elephants, brown bear and other species?
Good point. One might almost think that sex drive alone was enough to explain why male dolphins will hump a turtle, each other or a number of other things. Lucky bastards probably don't have any god or religion to make them wrong about it.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 9:17 am
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Fundies who are worried about gays spawning more gays and promiscuously converting everyone, should vote *for* gay marriage. Opposition makes no sense even from the fundie lunatic perspective
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 9:19 am
(August 30, 2015 at 11:06 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I've seen stuff like this all the time "gays smoke more... they do drugs more... they drink more... they have risky sex"
I get all those things are totally personal choices and I'm all about encouraging people to be responsible. It's really frustrating for me, seeing a straight person criticise gay people for doing shit straight people do all the time. We just don't have the privilege of individuality like they do. It's like if a straight person does any of that stuff it's "because they're stressed", if I did it it's "oh this is gay people...".
Cut to the chase. There is just too much spraying of juice going on. That's your problem.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am
So Cath-y, does the position of your church cause you any tension? Actually, I'm not that clear what the Catholic church's position is on gays and lesbians. Is there anything you're not telling us?
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 10:14 am
(August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: So Cath-y, does the position of your church cause you any tension? Actually, I'm not that clear what the Catholic church's position is on gays and lesbians. Is there anything you're not telling us?
It's anti gay with a little less foaming from the mouth than in the evaqngelical department. It will be another few centuries until they finally lift the ban, but at least they don't call for stoning them as some rasving pastors do.
The who am I to judge quote by the pope is as far as it gets. But in reality it's still condenscension, since they do judge all right.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am
(August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: So Cath-y, does the position of your church cause you any tension? Actually, I'm not that clear what the Catholic church's position is on gays and lesbians. Is there anything you're not telling us?
No, it causes me no tension. 
The position of the Church is that any sexual activity that is not between husband and wife, is not moral. That includes hetero and homosexual sex just the same. Now the position on gay folks themselves is that they don't choose to have the attraction they do, and "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided" ... Catechism 2358
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 10:45 am
(August 31, 2015 at 3:47 am)Nestor Wrote: (August 30, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My husband left for a trip and I'm bored. Meaning It's one of those evenings where I look for any excuse to post lol.
I was browsing my facebook news feed today and came across this article called The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage, posted by an acquaintance on my friend's list. I thought it was very out of character and was curious to hear you guys' opinions/comments/counter arguments on the points being made. Fire away!! If that surprises you, check out this interesting argument against gay marriage (written in the late 90s or early 00s, I think) by philosopher Claudia Card, a LESBIAN:
https://pol285.blog.gustavus.edu/files/2...rriage.pdf
Her basic argument is something like, if males had only been allowed to own slaves in the 19th century, it would have been dumb for females to fight for that right rather than abolishing the institution itself. And she then makes the case that marriage is a flawed institution which cannot be fixed for the following reasons:
1. Employer benefits are limited to married persons, punishing those that choose not to be married.
2. Pressures not to divorce because of consequences keep people trapped in abusive relationships.
3. The idea of monogamy bars possible loving relationships with others.
4. Legal right of access makes the state a third party to your marriage.
Hence, gays and lesbians should not support the right to marry.
Wow, can't say I've ever heard that before lol. Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 10:56 am
(August 31, 2015 at 9:10 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: (August 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Since you have quoted me, I have updated my post. It is possible to get HIV from lesbian sex, but it is extremely rare. Here is a link on it:
I add that because I want to be clear that I am not saying that one is perfectly safe regarding HIV if one has lesbian sex. But it is much, much safer than heterosexual sex.
Trust me, if there was any way I could have lesbian sex, I would. I have had sex with a lesbian friend but she was pretty penis-phobic. Still there was something nice about that stolen-watermelon, even if I didn't get to spray her with any juice. 
You can have lesbian sex. All you need to do is have a sex changer operation, and then find a willing female participant. My guess is, you don't want to have lesbian sex that much.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 11:02 am
Your right. But just occasionally I can't help but thinking it would be nice to be the meat in a lesbo sandwich.
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RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 11:03 am
(August 31, 2015 at 10:44 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: So Cath-y, does the position of your church cause you any tension? Actually, I'm not that clear what the Catholic church's position is on gays and lesbians. Is there anything you're not telling us?
No, it causes me no tension.
The position of the Church is that any sexual activity that is not between husband and wife, is not moral. That includes hetero and homosexual sex just the same. Now the position on gay folks themselves is that they don't choose to have the attraction they do, and "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided" ... Catechism 2358
But if the Catholic church doesn't condone gay marriage, then it must hold that gays should never have sex?
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