Ask A Spiritual Satanist...

[robvalue]

Fucking arse buggery twat munching crap radishes is what it is.

I've lost track, who's winning in this thread?

[MTL]

Fucking arse buggery twat munching crap radishes is what it is.

I've lost track, who's winning in this thread?

lolololol

I'm actually really disappointed.  

I wanted answers to my questions from our Satanist.

oh well.

[Sail Hatan]

I'm still here. For all those questioning if I am troll or sock or whatever. No, I'm not. I have never been here before my first post.

And for all those people who say TL;DR. That should be a bible meme and probably is. The Joy of Satan is not that much to read. People just will not read stuff that they are not interested in or for whatever other reason.

As for black magick and how it manifests in the real world, anything and everything that can naturally cause death, injury, or harassment is usually what happens. There are wayyy too many ways to list here. Mother Nature is a big helper. Lightning, tornadoes, fires, floods, animals, insects. Yeah. Random acts of violence, suicide, accidents, illness, bad luck. there are a lot of ways to die. I don't want to point out specific cases but there are crazy awesome stories that are just too good to be true, you just have to watch the news, read the newspaper and be aware of who these people are that are not so lucky.

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Fucking arse buggery twat munching crap radishes is what it is.

I've lost track, who's winning in this thread?

lolololol

I'm actually really disappointed.  

I wanted answers to my questions from our Satanist.

oh well.

I did not see your question.

[MTL]

I welcomed you and had several questions for you on your first thread.

I will copy and paste it, here:

*************

Hey, Sail Hatan,

I'm an Agnostic and Anti-Theist, raised in a Baptist home.

I found your post quite interesting, although I agree, a post under 'Introductions' would have been better,
but perhaps you didn't realize you had the option.

At any rate, I'm frequently long-winded, myself, so I can't complain about that part,
and I'd like to extend you a welcome.

There are a few Theists who take part in these Atheist forums,
so I see no reason why a Satanist shouldn't.

I have entertained many theories, on my journey to Agnosticism,
and one of them is similar to the scenario you paint:

That the Abrahamic religions are actually the real bad guys,
and Satan was actually the good guy, who unfairly got a bum rap.

I've also entertained the Deist theory of an impartial and disaffected God (and no devil, at all)
who is more like a scientist or architect, who doesn't give a shit about "Sin" or being "worshiped"
and neither loves, nor hates humanity, but simply carries on with His own experiments;

Of course, these are all just theories I entertained;


my personal leaning is that there most likely isn't a God, isn't a Devil,
that there are no human souls or an afterlife,
no Heaven, no Hell....just a big atomic soup called the Universe.

Ultimately, despite my leanings, I always allow for any possibility.
...but not any probability.

However, I'm a little surprised that you didn't at least get a few more acknowledgments
of the bad stuff you mentioned about Christianity;

however, it must be remembered that most Atheists will figuratively
come out in a rash if exposed to ANY organized dogma,
and will react with corresponding antipathy.

For me, philosophically, your representation of Satanism is actually quite appealing,
and for me, the only real rub in what you had to say was the acceptance of Satan as a real entity.

It compels me to pose the same question to you that I would to a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim:

Can you prove....beyond all doubt...that your deity exists...or existed at one time?

Or, like Christianity, does your religion hang on Faith?

And can you prove that the stuff you claim to know ABOUT your deity, is actually true?

If it was just the philosophical concept of not condemning the Biblical Satan for His role as a rebel,
(which was my understanding of what Satanism actually was),
then I suspect that more Atheists would be slightly more tolerant of the idea


...although many of them still reject the idea that any organization is required,
just for the purposes of examining a philosophy.

but you are touting Satan as a deity,
just as much as Christians tout Christ as a deity;
and you profess the existence of "powers" and "miracles".

the dogma is very different, yes
...but there is still a deity at the core that you maintain is "real".

Now, granted, I don't recall reading anything, anywhere in what you wrote,
indicating that your deity requires worship, as such, the way the Biblical God does.

You simply stipulated that a "relationship" with Satan was possible
for anyone who was "willing and respectful".

I find that interesting.  Does your deity, Satan, not actually require worship, as such?

I did note that you said that Satanism was about
"elevating and empowering humanity",

and again, I think that concept would be somewhat more palatable as a mere philosophy, amongst Atheists,
....but not as a religion, with both dogma, and a deity, behind it.

so it raises the question: 

why does Satan care about elevating and empowering humanity?

Also:  you mention demons that were once "bound" using rituals and the name of Jehova.

If Satan is the original Creator, how were his demons so easily bound, by mere humans?

That's like telling a Christian that Michael the Archangel was once put in a cage by humans,
and God allowed it, or was powerless to do anything about it, at least immediately.

And finally, with regard to the importance of meditation and mind powers,
it could be interpreted different ways:

Do you mean to say that Satanism makes it possible for you to have mind powers
on the scale that most people today would consider to be those of a superhero?  Like in the movies?
Like telekinesis or telepathy?
The literal ability to directly and immediately manipulate events or matter,
merely by personal will?

or, do you mean it in a more subtle sense;
like the power of positive thinking;
like visualizing what you want to achieve,
and then taking real-life steps to realize what you envisioned,
benefiting from the focus and confidence you garnered as a result of your visualization?

Are you simply saying that this power, of positive thinking and visualization,
can be far more useful that people realize
(and that Satanism encourages this balancing practice and self-healing and self-betterment)
and is too easily dismissed
.....by those who misunderstand and think you are touting something supernatural?

I hope you haven't been chased off by the cool reception you received,
and if I've misunderstood anything, I look forward to hearing your clarification.

And again, welcome!

***********

Now, with regret, it is time for me to log off.

I look forward to reading any reply you are interested in posting, tomorrow! 

[Sail Hatan]

Yeah where did he go? I'm covered in ram's blood and I have half a pentagram on the floor, now I don't know what to do next!

Killing animals for spiritual sacrifice is not Satanic but christian/jewish. It is not necessary and also frowned upon. Totally unnecessary and wrong.

Don't kill rams unless you are hungry. Spiritual Satanists are advised against vegetarianism. Meat is necessary for the human body.

I don't know why you only have half a pentagram. Did you give the other half to your best friend? If you want to ask a question, go right ahead.

[Losty]

I have to give you credit that made me lol

[Sail Hatan]

I welcomed you and had several questions for you on your first thread.

I will copy and paste it, here:

*************

Hey, Sail Hatan,

I'm an Agnostic and Anti-Theist, raised in a Baptist home.

I found your post quite interesting, although I agree, a post under 'Introductions' would have been better,
but perhaps you didn't realize you had the option.

At any rate, I'm frequently long-winded, myself, so I can't complain about that part,
and I'd like to extend you a welcome.

There are a few Theists who take part in these Atheist forums,
so I see no reason why a Satanist shouldn't.

I have entertained many theories, on my journey to Agnosticism,
and one of them is similar to the scenario you paint:

That the Abrahamic religions are actually the real bad guys,
and Satan was actually the good guy, who unfairly got a bum rap.

I've also entertained the Deist theory of an impartial and disaffected God (and no devil, at all)
who is more like a scientist or architect, who doesn't give a shit about "Sin" or being "worshiped"
and neither loves, nor hates humanity, but simply carries on with His own experiments;

Of course, these are all just theories I entertained;


my personal leaning is that there most likely isn't a God, isn't a Devil,
that there are no human souls or an afterlife,
no Heaven, no Hell....just a big atomic soup called the Universe.

Ultimately, despite my leanings, I always allow for any possibility.
...but not any probability.

However, I'm a little surprised that you didn't at least get a few more acknowledgments
of the bad stuff you mentioned about Christianity;

however, it must be remembered that most Atheists will figuratively
come out in a rash if exposed to ANY organized dogma,
and will react with corresponding antipathy.

For me, philosophically, your representation of Satanism is actually quite appealing,
and for me, the only real rub in what you had to say was the acceptance of Satan as a real entity.

It compels me to pose the same question to you that I would to a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim:

Can you prove....beyond all doubt...that your deity exists...or existed at one time?

Or, like Christianity, does your religion hang on Faith?

And can you prove that the stuff you claim to know ABOUT your deity, is actually true?

If it was just the philosophical concept of not condemning the Biblical Satan for His role as a rebel,
(which was my understanding of what Satanism actually was),
then I suspect that more Atheists would be slightly more tolerant of the idea


...although many of them still reject the idea that any organization is required,
just for the purposes of examining a philosophy.

but you are touting Satan as a deity,
just as much as Christians tout Christ as a deity;
and you profess the existence of "powers" and "miracles".

the dogma is very different, yes
...but there is still a deity at the core that you maintain is "real".

Now, granted, I don't recall reading anything, anywhere in what you wrote,
indicating that your deity requires worship, as such, the way the Biblical God does.

You simply stipulated that a "relationship" with Satan was possible
for anyone who was "willing and respectful".

I find that interesting.  Does your deity, Satan, not actually require worship, as such?

I did note that you said that Satanism was about
"elevating and empowering humanity",

and again, I think that concept would be somewhat more palatable as a mere philosophy, amongst Atheists,
....but not as a religion, with both dogma, and a deity, behind it.

so it raises the question: 

why does Satan care about elevating and empowering humanity?

Also:  you mention demons that were once "bound" using rituals and the name of Jehova.

If Satan is the original Creator, how were his demons so easily bound, by mere humans?

That's like telling a Christian that Michael the Archangel was once put in a cage by humans,
and God allowed it, or was powerless to do anything about it, at least immediately.

And finally, with regard to the importance of meditation and mind powers,
it could be interpreted different ways:

Do you mean to say that Satanism makes it possible for you to have mind powers
on the scale that most people today would consider to be those of a superhero?  Like in the movies?
Like telekinesis or telepathy?
The literal ability to directly and immediately manipulate events or matter,
merely by personal will?

or, do you mean it in a more subtle sense;
like the power of positive thinking;
like visualizing what you want to achieve,
and then taking real-life steps to realize what you envisioned,
benefiting from the focus and confidence you garnered as a result of your visualization?

Are you simply saying that this power, of positive thinking and visualization,
can be far more useful that people realize
(and that Satanism encourages this balancing practice and self-healing and self-betterment)
and is too easily dismissed
.....by those who misunderstand and think you are touting something supernatural?

I hope you haven't been chased off by the cool reception you received,
and if I've misunderstood anything, I look forward to hearing your clarification.

And again, welcome!

***********

Now, with regret, it is time for me to log off.

I look forward to reading any reply you are interested in posting, tomorrow! 

I read over your comment but did not reply. It's really long. I could give you this TL;DR bs but I did read. It is just hard to respond to.
In order to prove Satan or God exists, you need to 1. Research. 2. Meditate.

If you combat christianity and help this world advance science further, the occult will be explained scientifically. Kirlian photography shows us that we have a soul. After some people did yoga, they took an MRI or something and this showed their brains lighting up with some sort of something proving that yoga has a positive affect.

There are seven major chakras located along the spine that are the most powerful. Each of these chakras vibrates to the frequency of the light spectrum. Satanism strongly supports science, as all of the spiritual and the occult can be scientifically explained. Both science and spirituality complement each other, and work together. Because of the incessant attacks and suppression of scientific inquiry and knowledge by the Christian Churches, science has been held back dangerously and has not reached a level to where all of the occult can be fully explained, but it will in time. The soul is made of light.
"Light is Power"
--Lilith
http://hailtosatansvictory666.angelfire....as666.html

[Catholic_Lady]

Sail, can you give us a specific example/story of when you used black magic against a person/persons and it worked?

[MTL]

I welcomed you and had several questions for you on your first thread.

I will copy and paste it, here:

*************

Hey, Sail Hatan,

I'm an Agnostic and Anti-Theist, raised in a Baptist home.

I found your post quite interesting, although I agree, a post under 'Introductions' would have been better,
but perhaps you didn't realize you had the option.

At any rate, I'm frequently long-winded, myself, so I can't complain about that part,
and I'd like to extend you a welcome.

There are a few Theists who take part in these Atheist forums,
so I see no reason why a Satanist shouldn't.

I have entertained many theories, on my journey to Agnosticism,
and one of them is similar to the scenario you paint:

That the Abrahamic religions are actually the real bad guys,
and Satan was actually the good guy, who unfairly got a bum rap.

I've also entertained the Deist theory of an impartial and disaffected God (and no devil, at all)
who is more like a scientist or architect, who doesn't give a shit about "Sin" or being "worshiped"
and neither loves, nor hates humanity, but simply carries on with His own experiments;

Of course, these are all just theories I entertained;


my personal leaning is that there most likely isn't a God, isn't a Devil,
that there are no human souls or an afterlife,
no Heaven, no Hell....just a big atomic soup called the Universe.

Ultimately, despite my leanings, I always allow for any possibility.
...but not any probability.

However, I'm a little surprised that you didn't at least get a few more acknowledgments
of the bad stuff you mentioned about Christianity;

however, it must be remembered that most Atheists will figuratively
come out in a rash if exposed to ANY organized dogma,
and will react with corresponding antipathy.

For me, philosophically, your representation of Satanism is actually quite appealing,
and for me, the only real rub in what you had to say was the acceptance of Satan as a real entity.

It compels me to pose the same question to you that I would to a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim:

Can you prove....beyond all doubt...that your deity exists...or existed at one time?

Or, like Christianity, does your religion hang on Faith?

And can you prove that the stuff you claim to know ABOUT your deity, is actually true?

If it was just the philosophical concept of not condemning the Biblical Satan for His role as a rebel,
(which was my understanding of what Satanism actually was),
then I suspect that more Atheists would be slightly more tolerant of the idea


...although many of them still reject the idea that any organization is required,
just for the purposes of examining a philosophy.

but you are touting Satan as a deity,
just as much as Christians tout Christ as a deity;
and you profess the existence of "powers" and "miracles".

the dogma is very different, yes
...but there is still a deity at the core that you maintain is "real".

Now, granted, I don't recall reading anything, anywhere in what you wrote,
indicating that your deity requires worship, as such, the way the Biblical God does.

You simply stipulated that a "relationship" with Satan was possible
for anyone who was "willing and respectful".

I find that interesting.  Does your deity, Satan, not actually require worship, as such?

I did note that you said that Satanism was about
"elevating and empowering humanity",

and again, I think that concept would be somewhat more palatable as a mere philosophy, amongst Atheists,
....but not as a religion, with both dogma, and a deity, behind it.

so it raises the question: 

why does Satan care about elevating and empowering humanity?

Also:  you mention demons that were once "bound" using rituals and the name of Jehova.

If Satan is the original Creator, how were his demons so easily bound, by mere humans?

That's like telling a Christian that Michael the Archangel was once put in a cage by humans,
and God allowed it, or was powerless to do anything about it, at least immediately.

And finally, with regard to the importance of meditation and mind powers,
it could be interpreted different ways:

Do you mean to say that Satanism makes it possible for you to have mind powers
on the scale that most people today would consider to be those of a superhero?  Like in the movies?
Like telekinesis or telepathy?
The literal ability to directly and immediately manipulate events or matter,
merely by personal will?

or, do you mean it in a more subtle sense;
like the power of positive thinking;
like visualizing what you want to achieve,
and then taking real-life steps to realize what you envisioned,
benefiting from the focus and confidence you garnered as a result of your visualization?

Are you simply saying that this power, of positive thinking and visualization,
can be far more useful that people realize
(and that Satanism encourages this balancing practice and self-healing and self-betterment)
and is too easily dismissed
.....by those who misunderstand and think you are touting something supernatural?

I hope you haven't been chased off by the cool reception you received,
and if I've misunderstood anything, I look forward to hearing your clarification.

And again, welcome!

***********

Now, with regret, it is time for me to log off.

I look forward to reading any reply you are interested in posting, tomorrow! 

I read over your comment but did not reply. It's really long. I could give you this TL;DR bs but I did read. It is just hard to respond to.
In order to prove Satan or God exists, you need to 1. Research. 2. Meditate.

If you combat christianity and help this world advance science further, the occult will be explained scientifically. Kirlian photography shows us that we have a soul. After some people did yoga, they took an MRI or something and this showed their brains lighting up with some sort of something proving that yoga has a positive affect.

There are seven major chakras located along the spine that are the most powerful. Each of these chakras vibrates to the frequency of the light spectrum. Satanism strongly supports science, as all of the spiritual and the occult can be scientifically explained. Both science and spirituality complement each other, and work together. Because of the incessant attacks and suppression of scientific inquiry and knowledge by the Christian Churches, science has been held back dangerously and has not reached a level to where all of the occult can be fully explained, but it will in time. The soul is made of light.
"Light is Power"
--Lilith
http://hailtosatansvictory666.angelfire....as666.html

I see.  Thank you for your reply.

[robvalue]

Yeah where did he go? I'm covered in ram's blood and I have half a pentagram on the floor, now I don't know what to do next!

Killing animals for spiritual sacrifice is not Satanic but christian/jewish. It is not necessary and also frowned upon. Totally unnecessary and wrong.

Don't kill rams unless you are hungry. Spiritual Satanists are advised against vegetarianism. Meat is necessary for the human body.

I don't know why you only have half a pentagram. Did you give the other half to your best friend? If you want to ask a question, go right ahead.

I haven't eaten meat for the last 26 years, so your statement is blatantly false.

I didn't really do that stuff, I was joking around.

I just did it now though. Shit! I just can't draw proper pentagrams. They keep coming out wonky.

I'm just messing with you