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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 7, 2015 at 9:24 am
And that's the absolute truth your honour.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 9, 2015 at 11:53 pm
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(October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
The reason is, in any conceivable universe, operating under any given specification of natural laws, if we reject absolute truth, we reject the ability to say anything meaningful about these possible universes. The very claim "In universe1 there are no absolute truths" is either true or false, and absolutely so. Once you jettison absolute truth, your statements about this possible universe become meaningless.
But the problem goes further than that. If you simply want to reject absolute truths in our world, you demolish the foundations of reason and science, which are irreparably dependent on absolute truth.
Hitting closer to home, the claim "There are no absolute truths" held as a claim cannot be rationally affirmed or denied if it is true.
Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
Your argument seems to imply that atheism's validity requires absolute truth to be an invalid proposition. In reality, what is more practically pertinent than the existence of absolute truth is whether its verification is even achievable.
Can we, as humans, authenticate statements or concepts as absolutely true? How could we know? If we can't obtain absolute truth, is the question of whether it exists even relevant?
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 10, 2015 at 12:01 am
If the existence of god was an absolute truth, we would all believe in his existence for there would be verifiable evidence to support his existence.
Since all anyone of religious or spiritual belief has is faith, bringing absolute truth into the equation is quite illogical and intellectually dishonest.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 10, 2015 at 1:17 am
(October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
The reason is, in any conceivable universe, operating under any given specification of natural laws, if we reject absolute truth, we reject the ability to say anything meaningful about these possible universes. The very claim "In universe1 there are no absolute truths" is either true or false, and absolutely so. Once you jettison absolute truth, your statements about this possible universe become meaningless.
But the problem goes further than that. If you simply want to reject absolute truths in our world, you demolish the foundations of reason and science, which are irreparably dependent on absolute truth.
Hitting closer to home, the claim "There are no absolute truths" held as a claim cannot be rationally affirmed or denied if it is true.
Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
I am just going to say it you are fucking delusional
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 10, 2015 at 1:22 am
(October 10, 2015 at 1:17 am)dyresand Wrote: I am just going to say it you are fucking delusional
Aren't all theists?
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 10, 2015 at 1:25 am
(October 6, 2015 at 11:35 pm)Delicate Wrote: It is viewed objectively. It might not be apprehended or accepted universally, but then again objective and universal are not the same thing.
Examples include scientific and mathematical truths, other true claims about reality that are true independent of how one feels about them.
But something that is objective need not be viewed universally because just because something is true independent of your feelings about it, doesn't mean everyone should know it universally.
Subjective truths are those truths whose truth values depend on what people think, or feel, or experience. Claims like "Vanilla ice-cream is delicious" are subjectively true.
Ah.... I see.
Objective truth is truth. Subjective truth is opinion.
Since we already have words for those, why muddy the waters?!?
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 18, 2015 at 8:24 pm
(October 9, 2015 at 11:53 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: (October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
The reason is, in any conceivable universe, operating under any given specification of natural laws, if we reject absolute truth, we reject the ability to say anything meaningful about these possible universes. The very claim "In universe1 there are no absolute truths" is either true or false, and absolutely so. Once you jettison absolute truth, your statements about this possible universe become meaningless.
But the problem goes further than that. If you simply want to reject absolute truths in our world, you demolish the foundations of reason and science, which are irreparably dependent on absolute truth.
Hitting closer to home, the claim "There are no absolute truths" held as a claim cannot be rationally affirmed or denied if it is true.
Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
Your argument seems to imply that atheism's validity requires absolute truth to be an invalid proposition. In reality, what is more practically pertinent than the existence of absolute truth is whether its verification is even achievable.
Can we, as humans, authenticate statements or concepts as absolutely true? How could we know? If we can't obtain absolute truth, is the question of whether it exists even relevant?
I don't hold that atheism requires one to reject absolute truth. At least I'm not convinced of that yet.
I just know it's fashionable in some skeptical circles to reject the notion of absolute truth. Looking at some of the comments in this thread, it's obvious there are some who aren't happy about it.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 19, 2015 at 9:07 am
You know who else thought he knew absolute truths? Hitler!
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 20, 2015 at 2:52 am
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(October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
If there are any absolute truths, why would we want to escape them?
But what really does "absolute" add to "truth". Truth is simply a concept regarding the fit between language and the state of affairs it describes. Truth is already contingent on the correct use of the language so that it correctly maps to the way things stand. I simply don't understand what additional condition must be met in order for a bit of language to be not just the truth but also the "absolute" truth. Is this a coherent idea? I don't get it.
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